I agree with Ako.
Too many roles, town has too many roles and there is also a disparity between town roles (ability wise) and even more between town and BO.
A lot of GMs also punp up the town/is biased towards town. I think a real good cleanup wasn't done in a long time. (I usually tried to do that to pump up BO/rebalance it. I think other GMs didn't had time to do that thoroughly either.)
I also noticed when talking with others about possibilities, that most think about old rules that were changed already. And everyone is like "huh? since when is it like that?". So even for veteran players/frequent players the rules got confusing it seems.
1) The BO accidentally hindered a Day 1 lynch late in the phase. Haibara was originally going to die in D1's lynch, until a D1 BO vote randomly tied it a few hours before phase change.
2) The BO randomly hit Jecka's heal target N2. I'm pretty sure this was random, at least, because Jecka was the most inactive player in the round and apparently wasn't part of the town alliance until later in the game. During N5 Jecka also managed to save someone, but by that time the BO was already done for, so it's not as big a deal as that initial N2 heal.
3) The Raiden Situation. While this was less random occurrence, it was also an edge case, and one that I think is valid and also funny (as someone who it didn't screw over, I know PT doesn't think it was funny
), and Totally Mafia. Basically, Raiden was Vermouth-Camel, Henry was Jodie, and Yurikochan was James. On N3, the BO killed Jodie, which forced the only results for James to get to be from Vermouth-Camel. On that same night, Raiden StakeOuted Kamite, and saw Nothing, while he claimed that Something had happened to Kamite, directly to Yuriko. Having gotten the Nothing results from Raiden, Yuriko knew this was a lie, and so Raiden was lynched. A lot of things had to happen in order for this mistake to come together, so I don't think there's anything really bad about this that needs to be rebalanced.
@1: That's just Mafia
Could also happen to town XD
@2: I don't think that was totally random. I pretty much screwed the balance because I really did PM everyone in the game. But I didn't think I would survive this kind of playstyle for long. I did it mainly so people ally me and have fun XD I'd never thought I would form or start to form a big alliance with that :x
So, back to jecka, I think it was more likely for her to heal me, since I PMed her and she wanted to ally me (even tho later she was inactive? :x). Also, the BO targeting me was also not totally random I guess? I think they targeted me because I PMed so much? BO also knew I can observe, so targeting a possible police is would be a valid point too. (didn't talk with BOs about that yet, so maybe it was random after all?)
@3: It was actually me that got told by Raiden. I then told Yuriko and SA. Raidens lie also made me trust Kamite more :x
But that wouldn't have backfired on Raiden so much if Yuriko wouldn't have told me her role before. So I played risky and got healed and then Yuriko played risky and told her role to me. So we all were more risky this time and it didn't backfire because we didn't say it to a BO.
But is telling others your role really risky? I noticed a pattern the last games:
Town is either talk-active or isn't, but usually more talactive or "alliance seeking" active.
BO? BO is usually almost never trying to infiltrate any alliances anymore (besides some very few players). Not sure why it turned out like that, but "back in the old good days" there was more BO activity.
My guess on why it's like that:
- People have a certain play style, so they don't change it much (some are just not alliance seeking, which is fine)
- People don't know how to infiltrate the town. Because that would mean to get targeted by abilities and could end up getting lynched. Also pretending to be a certain role is way harder now.
Sniper: Being a sniper you could say you're FBI/Police. People want you to arrest then, so you say you're FBI. Which ends up getting you lynched because town could sacrifice the FBI easily (poor Jodie and Camel :x).
Vermouth: Well, she has a chance. But most people don't try to get out into town with that role either, because your disguise could get discovered. I saw a ton of not-active-town-infiltrating Vermouths. (Raiden did, he just had really bad luck. Because before the incident with the lie I didn't suspect him. He was neutral for me, so I didn't trust him much either I guess?)
Anokata: Similar to Vermouth. But a bit better I guess.
Irish: I think barely anyone thinks about infiltrating the town as Irish. Because you can only be Yukiko or Irish if someone finds out you have different abilities. So similar to snipers, people would lynch you even if they think you're yukiko.
Gin: has more options to pretend to be a role. Since there are tons of Investigators and he has ste.... wait wtf, Gin has steal?!
Pisco and Vodka: could pretend to be a trickster. But if found out to be male and you accidentally kill of Eisuke... bad luck :x so also risky.
Tequila: he can only do something with a fake ability from the black suitcase. Or pretend to be a day role?
Rye: could pretend to be something investigate like. At least if he get's lynched he get's his revenge
Then again, I didn't see rye often in the game somehow? So dunno how people use him or try to infiltrate the town?
Bourbon/Kir: Similar to Gin and Rye, can try to infiltrate because of investigate.
Calvados: Also barely see him in rounds. Can also try various things with his Cover or backup. Downside is, if the one you Cover dies, you lose that ability to pretend to be someone. So can also be risky.
Sherry: Well, she can only go with BS or pretend to be day action I guess?
Akemi: Same as Gin/Rye/Bourbon/Kir with investigate. Also, people (whether town or BO) barely want to use steal anymore it seems.
So basically, Gin, Rye, Bourbon, Kir and Akemi have a possibility of infiltrating the town and be able to pretend to be a large number of roles. Problem is, those roles usually have crucial abilities that you don't want to lose. So I guess that's why people wouldn't be eager to infiltrate with those roles.
The other BO roles have it hard to pretend to be something, because they either can get caught easily (disguise will get uncovered or you get sacrificed for lynching even when town thinks you're a town role like FBI) or need to use the BS, but everyone wants the BS and usually prefer to use it for frame or bribe. So using the BS can be risky too, especially when the BO needs to use bribe.
So yeah, basically, trying to infiltrate the town as BO is always risky, even as roles that are supposed to do it :x
It was briefly mentioned up there, but specifically in regards to APTX, the point of APTX is supposed to be that it gives townies reasons to distrust each other to the point that they don't just ally everybody willy-nilly telling people they can investigate/stake-out or whatever. I feel like this was probably a large factor in how fast the town allied 100% this round, because there's hardly any reason to be cagey about your role anymore or where you get info from or how you know someone's BO/innocent when there's probably at least 4 or 5 other roles that could fit the description. PT briefly mentioned in IRC that "BO needs more poison", but I don't really agree. Poison needs to be more effective than it currently is, but I think that's mainly just a symptom of how bloated the roles list has become.
I also don't think more APTX will help much. I think the bigger problem is that BO can't infiltrate town as good anymore.
When I look back at my PMing action, the only BO that swapped actions with me was blurf(Akemi). PT(Tequila) didn't (tho she was also busy), Meme(Kir) didn't, Conia(Anokata-Eisuke) didn't and Raiden (Vermouth-Camel) didn't. There as also not that much talking going on, besides Raiden and PT later on once she wasn't as busy.
Town that did action swap with me:
Stoppy, Kamite (kinda, said who he will target which was perfect for my SO :x), KaitoRizu, Dumy, Cinna (claimed night action).
Moony didn't have a role first. Abs. wanted to ally and lynch vote with me XD. With yuriko I allied information wise and then completely after I was attacked.
So basically, town was way more eager to share info, more talkactive and agree to swap actions than the BO. I do not blame the persons being BO this round. What I want to point out is, that the BO roles have a really hard time to ally town and people play according to it. (I do too now as a BO D: And I don't like that XD)
What do the others think? :V