Akonyl wrote: shinichi'sapprentice (Bones)
Akonyl wrote:So here's some overall thoughts. I'm going to put it in a spoiler because it's a bit of a wall of text, but in summary:
-too many roles
-I think there's starting to be a little too many abilities per role
-So many Special investigates
-When's Ayumi's Grandma gonna get added in?
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:Akonyl wrote: shinichi'sapprentice (Bones)
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Akonyl wrote:1) The BO accidentally hindered a Day 1 lynch late in the phase. Haibara was originally going to die in D1's lynch, until a D1 BO vote randomly tied it a few hours before phase change.
2) The BO randomly hit Jecka's heal target N2. I'm pretty sure this was random, at least, because Jecka was the most inactive player in the round and apparently wasn't part of the town alliance until later in the game. During N5 Jecka also managed to save someone, but by that time the BO was already done for, so it's not as big a deal as that initial N2 heal.
3) The Raiden Situation. While this was less random occurrence, it was also an edge case, and one that I think is valid and also funny (as someone who it didn't screw over, I know PT doesn't think it was funny), and Totally Mafia. Basically, Raiden was Vermouth-Camel, Henry was Jodie, and Yurikochan was James. On N3, the BO killed Jodie, which forced the only results for James to get to be from Vermouth-Camel. On that same night, Raiden StakeOuted Kamite, and saw Nothing, while he claimed that Something had happened to Kamite, directly to Yuriko. Having gotten the Nothing results from Raiden, Yuriko knew this was a lie, and so Raiden was lynched. A lot of things had to happen in order for this mistake to come together, so I don't think there's anything really bad about this that needs to be rebalanced.
Akonyl wrote:APTX:
It was briefly mentioned up there, but specifically in regards to APTX, the point of APTX is supposed to be that it gives townies reasons to distrust each other to the point that they don't just ally everybody willy-nilly telling people they can investigate/stake-out or whatever. I feel like this was probably a large factor in how fast the town allied 100% this round, because there's hardly any reason to be cagey about your role anymore or where you get info from or how you know someone's BO/innocent when there's probably at least 4 or 5 other roles that could fit the description. PT briefly mentioned in IRC that "BO needs more poison", but I don't really agree. Poison needs to be more effective than it currently is, but I think that's mainly just a symptom of how bloated the roles list has become.
Stopwatch wrote:Will: Reminder that as Amuro is in Bourbon cannot be.
N1: Talked to Jecka and Link though not actually traded any info yet. Kleene knows I can investigate, well, I told her about half an hour before phase change so it's possible she doesn't know, but eh, thought I'd mention it in case I attracted the cop curse. Alas, Link, we've still not made it past N1 together ;__;.
D1: Link, we made it! o/\o Okay, so kinda vaguely susp of Kleene, but it's only circumstantial stuff nothing concrete. I think Henry is possibly Town? (based off him accidentally submitting non-prep actions in prep. I think if he was in a team they'd probably pick him up on that and I don't think Henry was lying about it at all) I don't think Kleene and Conia are likely to be teamed (not ruling it out, just find it unlikely). Talked some more to Jecka and SA, but again, nothing concrete. Yeah, I haven't got much, sorry.
N2: Seems Kleene has contacted quite a few people. Seems to be at least four at last count. Not sure what to make of it. Slightly more reassured on SA now. Rizu now knows I can inv but kinda reassured on her too? Checking if cinna killed Yuri. Kinda wary about potential N1 kill blames but hunting for the trick doesn't seem a great use of resources at this stage.
D2: cinna did not kill Yuri. Talked some more to people. Backtracking on SA to a null read because of him pushing certain stuff? Pretty sure Henry is Town based off #minimafia ramblings of his that come off legit. Working out all the probabilities for Kleene and it does seem most likely she's Town, though the lack of trick announcement this phase worries me (Yukiko/Irish seem unlikely as them using their trickster disguise N1 is just inadvisable). Also, she told me some interesting info, I guess. I've been warned there's probably going to be at least one vote on me tonight, but I haven't exactly got anyone to redirect the votes to. Random note because I just realised it may not be particularly clear in earlier parts of the will, but I have been claiming investigate rather than SI or observe. Summary: Leaning Town on Kleene and Henry. Need to push Rizu further, but for now, slight Town read. Jecka and SA null, but SA has been yoyoing between Town and not for me.
N3: Okay, so feeling better on SA and Rizu. Contacted some others but not heard much back yet. Passed onto to Rizu and Raiden that cinna didn't kill Yuri. Not told Rai any context but implied to Rizu an ally investigated it N1. Checking blurf for killing Yuri.
D3: blurf didn't kill Yuri. Okay so Kamite may have been lying when [CENSORED STUFF ABOUT LYNCHING KAMITE WHICH LATER GOT CLEARED UP HOPEFULLY] Apologies if this all backfires, it only fully "came to light" in the last couple of hours before phase change so. Kamite told me to vote Rai super last minute. Like, three minutes to go last minute.
N4: Kleene and Kamite now know I can SI, though I haven't backed down on my inv claim yet so :V. (EDIT: Just accidentally outed my role to both of them oops. At least they have my SIs now?)
List:
1. shinichi'sapprentice <- probably Town
2. Stopwatch <- me, hi
3. PhoenixTears
4. Abs. <- dead. Yukiko. Eisuke N1 or N2.
5. Yurikochan <- Vouched for
6. Kamite <- probably Town
7. blurfbreg
8. Jecka
9. Memesu
10. KaitoRizu <- think probably Town...?
11. dumytru <- Rizu vouched for him. Also, Rai voted him either D1 or D2 when it was random voting stage
12. Iwamoto Yuri <- dead. Tome.
13. Kleene Onigiri <- probably Town
14. cinnamoroll
16. MoonRaven <- Rai voted for her D1 or D2 during random voting stage
17. Conia
18. Raiden <- Dead. Vermouth-Camel
Potential BO pool highlighted. Thinking likely five BO in total in which case if everything else is correct then 4/6 of the target pool should be BO.
D4: Further speculations that can't really be verified, but going by Link's will we have a BO lineup of Anokata, Vermouth-Camel, (possible sniper), Tequila/Pisco/Calvados (because of Link being erased), and one other. Looking at the actions of these... I lean towards the remaining one and/or Anokata having investigation. Probably both, thinking about it. But this is just speculations using balancing so idk, could be way off. Anyway, been told to vote Conia today so doing that. I've been told the reason why and it seems to check out. Also, in terms of the Yuri kill, presuming it wasn't Rai and the previous BO pool is correct then the N1 kill can only have been done by Jecka, Meme, or Conia? Kinda late for that news probably, but thought I'd mention it. Also, apparently cinna is now likely Town. So that reduces the potential BO pool to five hopefully? I mean, presuming Anokata hasn't infiltrated.
Potential Borg: PT, blurf, Jecka, Meme, Conia.
N5: Okay so swapped roles with Yuriko, Rizu, and Kamite in total now. They should all be Town though. Jecka also should be Town. So, BO should be Meme, PT, and blurf? Talked to Moon and Jecka a bit but eh not much useful really. I really hope I'm not wrong on this BO list though :/. But if any of those are wrong it seems most likely Meme is Town...? Remember, Piscquilavados should be in (minus whichever one of them can trick because Anokata-Eisuke is enough :V).
D5: Here we go. Likely final BO: Meme, PT, blurf. Aiming to lynch Meme today and get PT arrested. Super paranoid about being wrong on blurf, but it should be right...? Also clears up the entire thing about Jecka voted blurf on either D1 or D2 because if they were both BO that'd've been kinda weird. Same with Rai voting Moon and dumy D1/D2. Good luck, Town! (Oh, also, I was attacked last night. Weird, huh?)
Night whatever: Acting as bait! Hoping final BO is blurf but we should know for sure by this phase?
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Akonyl wrote:shinichi'sapprentice wrote:Akonyl wrote: shinichi'sapprentice (Bones)
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@3: It was actually me that got told by Raiden. I then told Yuriko and SA.
KaitoRizu wrote:Kleene Onigiri wrote:Wanna establish an awesome fantastic incredible moldy and furious alliance with me? \o/
Snow thief? Are you Kid? XD kidding... yeah sure why notthat's what we agreed to do last time.
Stopwatch wrote:And also wow PT figured a lot out skimming through the BO QT o.O.
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