Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Kleene Onigiri]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

Oh, right... crap. I forgot. Is there anyway to check if someone was blamed?

If you lynch him/her and that player turns out to be town :x

[Detective Tommy]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

Oh, right... crap. I forgot. Is there anyway to check if someone was blamed?

If you lynch him/her and that player turns out to be town :x

Well that isn't useful...

[Kleene Onigiri]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

[Akonyl]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

but of course he'd be suspended anyway. So, if eri was in the game it's almost like it'd be better if he arrested them because the person could just be busted out, and he wouldn't get suspended >_>

[Detective Tommy]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

Wait. So House Arrest does not work on blamed people, correct?
If Megure house arrest someone that was blamed, but it's false... will he be suspended/his identity told on the thread?

[Akonyl]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

Wait. So House Arrest does not work on blamed people, correct?
If Megure house arrest someone that was blamed, but it's false... will he be suspended/his identity told on the thread?

megure's identity isn't told in the thread, just that an officer was suspended.

[Detective Tommy]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

Wait. So House Arrest does not work on blamed people, correct?
If Megure house arrest someone that was blamed, but it's false... will he be suspended/his identity told on the thread?

megure's identity isn't told in the thread, just that an officer was suspended.

Oh. I thought when Megure's house arrest is wrong, he loses his role and his identity is told.

Never mind...

Well, let's try to get Kir's role finished.
Since Schillok isn't going to add it into her game. I kind of wanted to add it into mine.
But then again, Kir might not even be in play.

[Kleene Onigiri]

kleene was leaning towards no, which I sort of agree with tbh.

Also, perhaps blamed actions can't be found out (+arrested for) with House Arrest? After all, if he's just blaming someone, there wouldn't actually be any evidence to find in the person's house, and Megure would know that the person was just blamed anyway (as he learns their identity during the search).

Hm... true. So, just Megure can figure out that he was blamed, because he finds out that it's a townie anyway. Meaning no arrest either.

Wait. So House Arrest does not work on blamed people, correct?
If Megure house arrest someone that was blamed, but it's false... will he be suspended/his identity told on the thread?

Would be like this:
Megure uses House search on Kleene(Eri), that was blamed to have slandered Akonyl.
Megure get's to know everything, that she is eri etc. Whether he get's to know that she was blamed or not isn't important actually. So, it's obvious for Megure that Eri can't slander, so it's false and he won't arrest Eri for slander. But since Eri didn't do anything wrong, and Megure knows, he'll get suspended for using House search on an innocent person.

[Akonyl]

Oh. I thought when Megure's house arrest is wrong, he loses his role and his identity is told.

Never mind...

police used to have their identities revealed when they failed an arrest, but that was when a failed arrest was permanent, and before APTX existed.

[Detective Tommy]

Wait. When Megure is suspended, it's permanent right? That's what I remember reading.
But all the other police are only 2 phases...

[Akonyl]

Megure's suspension is semi-permanent, he loses all abilities for two phases and after that, regains investigation 1.

Either way, the "say who the police was" rule sort of clashes with the existence of APTX so it was taken out.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Wait. When Megure is suspended, it's permanent right? That's what I remember reading.
But all the other police are only 2 phases...

Because it's easier for Megure to get someone arrested or even if it fails, he get's a ally for 100%

[Detective Tommy]

Okay good.

Well, does Megure get suspended and only get Investigate 1 if he house search "blamed" people?

[Edogawa4869]

REVIVED FOR MAFIA ROUND 15: THE DEVIL'S PLAYROOM.

Topic Discussions:

-Anokata
-Kir
-Additional BO Roles

The Discussion starts now! (Yes, I did need to make it incredibly dramatic. )

[Eve]

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[quote="Kleene Onigiri"]
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[quote="Kleene Onigiri"]
From Mini mafia (discussed in the discussion board before ), some roles and abilities plus some changes in red (all just suggestions )

Status
Crimes:
Killing (normal, sniping or using APTX), disguising, slandering, discombobulating, abducting, erasing, frightening, steal, blaming. Black Suitcase actions are not crimes (even killing!). You can't arrest someone for being in the BO. So you can't arrest conia for being Gin.
 

Blame:

Spoiler:

* Anokata, Mafia Boss
Day action: Black Suitcase
Night action: Blame
Interrogation: Not BO
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Blame
- Role with that action: Anokata
- Can choose to blame a townsperson for committing a crime on that night. Any investigations that investigate this action will come back as true, and the townsperson will be able to be arrested for this action as well.
- The action of blaming cannot be investigated ("Akonyl blames Kleene" results in a false even if I'd blamed her for sniping me)
- Vermouth cannot arrest people for blamed actions.

Stake-Out:

Spoiler:

* Takagi, Police Sergeant
Night action: Stake-Out
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Chiba, Police Officer
Night action: Stake-Out
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Stake-Out
- Role with that action: Takagi, Chiba
- The policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
- A blamed action will be seen too.
Example: Anokata blames "Akonyl slandering Kleene"
Stake out result will be: "Kleene was slandered" although it was a fake action through blaming.

Kir:

Spoiler:

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Status: NOC
Night action: Betrayal OR Special Investigate
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*Betrayal
- Role with that action: Kir
- If she decides to use betrayal, she randomly get's to know one activity of the BO that was done on that night.
Killing/Sniping: Gin killed on that night or Chianti sniped someone etc.
Slander: Gin used slander on that night
Investigate: Gin investigated someone.
Erase: Pisco erased someone. Will get to know the identity of the role that was erased and will be also given the Will if there is one
Detect: Get's to know that Okiya used Detect
Abduct: Knows that Irish abducted someone (not who tho)
Spy: Knows that Irish used Spy
Discombobulate: Knows that Vodka discombobulated on that night (not knowing who the target was)
Steal: Knows that Akemi stole from someone (not who and what item was stolen)
Black Suitcase: DOESN'T get to know who used or who got the Black Suitcase.
Blame: DOESN'T get to know if someone was blamed

NOC - Kir
- She get's to know how many BO are in the game (not the identity)
- This way she also knows the number of APTX in the game (doesn't get to know if APTX was used or not during the game!)

Maybe giving her additional Contact, but could make her too powerful.

*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players.  If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.

Some possible changes or necessary adds when Blame/sake-out is added:

Spoiler:

Pisco:
- When Pisco erases, the will is not shown in the thread, and Pisco gets to read the will.
- When Pisco erases someone close to Kogoro, it does not cause him to become Sober.

* House Search
- Role with that action: Megure
- Can order a house search each Night. This will reveal everything about the target, all actions since the start of the game, disguise and role etc.  No matter if target committed a crime, or not.
- If the target did not commit a crime, then the player will be suspended from the force and lose all police abilities for 24 hours (2 game phases). Afterward the player will lose House Search ability AND Arrest ability, be reduced to Investigate 1 for the rest of the game, and not receive any Auto-Reports.
- If the target DID commit a crime, the target is Auto-Arrested.
- If the target has not committed a crime yet, but commits a crime in the same phase as the House Search order is given, the House Search will still be considered a failure, and the officer will suffer the consequences.  The crime, however, will be hindered.
- Crimes are: see General Definitions
- House search won't arrest someone for a blamed action

* Analyze
- Roles with that: Kogoro
- After the player gets Sober, he can analyze his Interrogations during the Day (even the one before he got Sober). So he can Interrogate during the Night and Analyze his results during the day. He gets the correct answer with the Analysis, whether the result was wrong because of being Drunk or because it was Slandered.
- Example: Ran was killed during Night 2, so Kogoro got sober on Day 3:
Needs to PM: "I want to Analyze my Interrogation from Night 1"
- When Pisco erases someone close to Kogoro, it does not cause him to become Sober.

* Arrest
- Role with that action: Satou, Takagi, Shiratori, Chiba, Yumi
- Can arrest any player at Night or Day, except for themselves.
- Needs to accuse a player for a specific crime during a specific past phase: "Arrest Akonyl for Killing conia on Night 1" or "Arrest conia for Slandering pofa on Night 2" or “Arrest Sebolains for disguising as Megureâ€