Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Detective Tommy]

Can Anokata have a limit on blame?
Let's say lovers: Vermouth x Takagi. Just an example.

If Vermouth knows who is going to get blamed, she can tell Takagi to arrest that person.
If Vermouth knows which BO did what, she can arrest them without them knowing she did it...

This pairing can assure lover win. I guess it would be nice to finally see lovers win... So never mind.

[xpon]

well its fine then.. takagi and chiba have perfect item to stole right?

shiratori and yumi have alcohol..

[xpon]

Can Anokata have a limit on blame?
Let's say lovers: Vermouth x Takagi. Just an example.

If Vermouth knows who is going to get blamed, she can tell Takagi to arrest that person.
If Vermouth knows which BO did what, she can arrest them without them knowing she did it...

This pairing can assure lover win. I guess it would be nice to finally see lovers win... So never mind.

Vermouth cant be lover!

she can be sonoko best friends but not lover

[Akonyl]

Can Anokata have a limit on blame?
Let's say lovers: Vermouth x Takagi. Just an example.

If Vermouth knows who is going to get blamed, she can tell Takagi to arrest that person.
If Vermouth knows which BO did what, she can arrest them without them knowing she did it...

This pairing can assure lover win. I guess it would be nice to finally see lovers win... So never mind.

In this case, it's up to the BO to realize what's going on, imo. A policeman that loves a BO member is already sort of this deal, as long as the BO has the upper hand.

Also, in this situation, you're making Anokata a worse character for how his opponents might utilize his ability? I'm not sure that makes a whole lot of sense, tbh.

[Detective Tommy]

Oooops, never mind! Vermouth can't be lover. /fail

@Akonyl, It was just a suggestion. I didn't know I was making his character worse.
Also, what do you mean exactly about his opponents utilizing his ability?

[Akonyl]

Vermouth cant be lover!

she can be sonoko best friends but not lover

where is this rule? I honestly don't see it anywhere. :V

Oooops, never mind! Vermouth can't be lover. /fail

@Akonyl, It was just a suggestion. I didn't know I was making his character worse.
Also, what do you mean exactly about his opponents utilizing his ability?

Basically, you're saying that due to a situation where Anokata could be in the BO, and Vermouth and Takagi were lovers, because Vermouth could pass on the information of who Anokata was blaming, the power of blaming made the lover pairing too powerful. However, rather than suggesting to do something about the lover pairing (the benefiting side of this situation), you suggested to do something against Anokata, which would only make him weaker.

[xpon]

someone deleted the rules..

it also state that DBs cant be lovers or sonoko best friends .. i remember it!!!!

[Detective Tommy]

@Akonyl, Can prep phase roles be lovers?
Well, you don't think blame is too powerful? If he blames someone every night then there might be too many town arrest...

[Akonyl]

someone deleted the rules..

it also state that DBs cant be lovers or sonoko best friends .. i remember it!!!!

those rules are put in place to keep the "grouping" roles away from each other, and are still in the rules. So, DBs can't be lovers or best friends, and sonoko can't be paired with a lover/db, etc. There's no rule against disguised roles at all, and if there ever was it was only for a game or two, because they don't affect grouping.

@Akonyl, Can prep phase roles be lovers?
Well, you don't think blame is too powerful? If he blames someone every night then there might be too many town arrest...

yes, prep phase roles can be lovers, unless they're also grabbed by sonoko, or are sonoko.

That's sort of the point with blame. Besides, it's up to the town to actually do the faulty arresting themselves.

There need to be more ways for townies to get arrested, in part to make Eri a more worthwhile character, as well as giving BO more of a way to hide out. Yeah, the BO won this round, but honestly, a large deal of that would be due to the town's inactivity, I would say, not because the BO is strong at the moment.

[Detective Tommy]

Also, I think it's annoying that people join, play the first phase or two and just leave.

[xpon]

well.. okay then...

but please make sure megure roles and ability is clear!

[Kleene Onigiri]

Small adds to these two, when both get into the game:

Takagi+Chiba
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Blamed actions aren't real actions, so blamed slander doesn't change the interrogation results etc.
- A blamed action will be seen too.
Example: Anokata blames "Akonyl slandering Kleene"
Stake out result will be: "Kleene was slandered" although it was a fake action through blaming.

Question: Will the one who got blamed (in the example, Akonyl) get a notification that he was blamed for something or not? I'd say no, but dunno :x

Anokata
- Gains Blame: Night action, Anokata can choose to blame a townsperson for committing a crime on that night. Any investigations that investigate this action will come back as true, and the townsperson will be able to be arrested for this action as well.
- The action of blaming cannot be investigated ("Akonyl blames Kleene" results in a false even if I'd blamed her for sniping me)
- Vermouth cannot arrest people for blamed actions.


An NOC should be a status, not an action :x Made a mistake while writing that XD

Well, I still dunno what eagle eye is supposed to do D:
And I also said that I dunno if giving Kir contact and betrayal in my version would be too powerful, or if leaving out contact would be better :x But betrayal is not too powerful, since you know what a BO did, but you don't know which player it is. That's why I gave her special investigate. And she can't use both in one night either.

Also, I think giving stake out to Chiba and Takagi is better than giving it to Takagi and Satou.
Because Yumi already has just 2 investigations, and other female having investigations would make her a even better APTX target than she already is.
Also, Chiba and Takagi are male and have similar items to steal from. While Gin and Shiratori are male and both have alcohol too. And yumi also has similar items to Gin.
That's why I choose Takagi and chiba from all the police roles to choose from :x

Spoiler:

* Gin, Mafia Slanderer
Night action: Slander OR Investigate 5
Interrogation: BO
Scent: Yes
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol

* Satou, Police Sergeant
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties

* Takagi, Police Sergeant
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Shiratori, Assistant Police Inspector
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Alcohol

* Chiba, Police Officer
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Yumi, Amor
Night action: Investigate 2
Night/Day action: Arrest
Prep. action: Amor
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Panties, Alcohol

@lovers: Just the DB's and Sonoko can't have lovers, or be a BFF with a lover, like Akonyl said. Because the town-grouping would be too fast.

And you can't disguise as a prep-phase role, because the player get's to know his/her role in the prep-phase, so you can't change it because someone disguised as him afterward :p
But you can still be lovers or befriend Sonoko as a prep-phase role or when you're disguised.

[Detective Tommy]

Well, about blame.
- Person isn't notified. Then the real police and the one being arrested, will quarrel. The police will think the one person is BO and the one person will think the police is BO.

Therefore, blame makes it possible for everyone to be blamed.
I think it's already hard enough finding the real BO and the black suitcase makes it even harder.
I think blame should have a consequence too - person blamed is notified.


About Kir. I say we just take off the idea about knowing how many BO there is.
She either gets:

Contact & Betrayal
OR
Special Investigation and Betrayal.

All 3 is way too powerful.
See! I'm not trying to over power the town.

[Akonyl]

Well, about blame.
- Person isn't notified. Then the real police and the one being arrested, will quarrel. The police will think the one person is BO and the one person will think the police is BO.

Therefore, blame makes it possible for everyone to be blamed.
I think it's already hard enough finding the real BO and the black suitcase makes it even harder.
I think blame should have a consequence too - person blamed is notified.

except the BO can't arrest blamed people, the person in jail would just think the person was a police officer that had been manipulated. Imo, it's like slandering (which causes distrust also), but for a much more specific thing.

And I see no problem with it still really. I mean, in a game where there's no Haibara (like this one), Anokata is essentially a useless version of Vermouth, so having an ability for him is needed, I think.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, about blame.
- Person isn't notified. Then the real police and the one being arrested, will quarrel. The police will think the one person is BO and the one person will think the police is BO.

Therefore, blame makes it possible for everyone to be blamed.
I think it's already hard enough finding the real BO and the black suitcase makes it even harder.
I think blame should have a consequence too - person blamed is notified.


About Kir. I say we just take off the idea about knowing how many BO there is.
She either gets:

Contact & Betrayal
OR
Special Investigation and Betrayal.

All 3 is way too powerful.
See! I'm not trying to over power the town.

@blame:
True. But on the other hand, if the townie get's notified, the BO can act on their real crime being found out: "I was blamed! I didn't do it! Don't arrest me" And there is the conflict again (which is goooood ) So, not a difference in that sense.
But, if the townie get's contacted, then he/she will know that there is Anokata in the game. So, I'd tend to say no to being PMed that you got blamed.

@Kir: it's either:
NOC + Betrayal + Special Investigate
or
NOC + Betrayal + Special Investigate + Contact