Mafia Round 23 (Subscription Phase)

[Tanner-kun]

Nyaaan~

[Edogawa4869]

I finally have time to play again! *subscribes*

[Abs.]

I don't remember agreeing to join. (And, in fact, at the time I made that last post, I was still undecided on whether I wanted to sit this one out or not.)

Good thing I've decided I'll go ahead and play.

Wasn't it Abs. that changed it to discombobulate in the first place? I think he's just trying to trick intimidate discombobulate neutralize us. o.O;

Curses, I've been found out!

@Abs. In your Day "order of actions" example, you have the charm being given to pofa instead of Conia and still succeeding.

The reason Conia wasn't APTXed was because Cheesus was arrested, not because the Anti-APTX charm worked.

edit: As for kazuha's Accompany, I'd say just have it always take effect (right where it is now in your new order of things), but just don't announce it in the thread unless it actually makes a difference.

My thoughts exactly.

---Subscription Phase---

You don't know what you're signing up for, but you can be sure it ain't anything good. Still...

GM: Abs.
1. KainTheVampire
2. xpon
3. Dus
4. Commi-Ninja
5. Officer Kaoko
6. Kleene Onigiri
7. breva
8. Akonyl
9. miakakiri
10. pofa
11. Yurikochan
12. Cheesus
13. Tanner-kun
14. Paix672
15. Mystery_angel801
16. Grawwbear
17. PhoenixTears
18. Conia
19. bluekaitou1412
20. xXLeration
21. shihokudo
22. hopelessidiot
23. Schillok
24. Holmes
25. Kirbypepe
26. DuskDraco
27. Edogawa4869
28.

I don't entertain question marks and/or demands.

[PT]

Curses, I've been found out!

That's what I thought. I've got my eye on you, mister.

Also, I object to:

- No Flustering of the GM:

on the grounds of "PT likes flustering this particular GM"

[Abs.]

I...  You... 

[PT]

[Dus]

- No Flustering of the GM:

on the grounds of "PT likes flustering this particular GM"

SO flustering is the new discombobufrightening?

[PT]

SO flustering is the new discombobufrightening?

Could be. Though I'd only Fluster certain people. I'd Discombobu-Frighten anyone.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Neutralize?

Kleene throws acid!
Akonyl throws lye!

NEUTRALIZE! DUN DUN DUN!

Also, I'm killing Sherry off in this round XD

Abs. eliminated all the Sherry.
Abs get's drunk....
Kleene Onigiri throws a Pokeball at Abs.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Woah, lot's of changes :V Can't comment till the abilities are in D: (but I already find some thing's... not good :V)

Edit: Vodka has "Student"... now I just imaginated Vodka in a female school uniform! D: @.@

[KangarooGirl]

Edit: Vodka has "Student"... now I just imaginated Vodka in a female school uniform! D: @.@

*imagines Vodka pretending to be Asami* D: @.@

Thanks Kleene...

[Akonyl]

a few things that should be tweaked imo:

Frighten should be changed to also PM the player thtat they were frightened in the case that they did in fact vote (but had it nullified) and didn't have a day action. GMs *do* make mistakes and forget to tally votes sometimes, so adding confusion into the game like that is just unnecessary.

for Pisco, instead of saying "he can use this 2x per kill roster rotation", which may be confusing if people are like "well when does the new rotation start, when everyone's kills or equal or when pisco kills again?", so you might want to change it to something like "Pisco can only erase 2x, when Pisco kills this number is reset to 2 after the kill."



As for Tome, Special Investigate x5... I already thought he was good but ffff. I mean, I know you won't change things that are actual balance like this one (though you should do the top two imo), but man.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Disguise (Vermouth, KID) +Crime
- Will return "true" for X is disguised as Y as long as both variables are correct, no matter the phase, unless disguise is removed via injury or an ability
- The player chooses a number of players to disguise as. (GM tells how many players to choose) The player will then disguise as that role and be able to use that role's actions, just like being that role.
- Scent won't be taken. So KID disguised as Akai or Okiya etc., won't have a scent.
- Vermouth will always have a scent, no matter which disguise she has
- You choose player names (Akonyl, Conia etc.) not roles names (Agasa, Heiji etc.) or roles (Detective, Police etc.)
- The player who originally had that role will get a different role. He will not know that anyone has disguised as his previous role. He will not know that he got a different role either.
- They can't disguise as: BO members, Conan, Haibara, DBs (Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko), and Prep. Phase roles (Sonoko, Yumi, Vermouth, KID, Hakuba, Makoto)
- If KID and Vermouth choose the same player, then both will disguise as that player's original role. So KID and Vermouth can both be disguised as Ran. But there will be no real Ran in the game.
- The player will have items from his original role and from his disguised role. So he can have 2x gun in case KID or Vermouth disguises as a Police officer.

Order Costumes (Yukiko, Irish)
- During the preparation phase, the player will be given 5 roles she could disguise as. The player must then decide, in advance, which phase they want to use each role. However, each disguise will not activate unless the Don Costume order is given during the previous phase.
- All disguises will be town roles. The player will NOT replace that role - so even if he decides to take the disguise as Shinichi, another player could still get the role of Shinichi (or Conan).

***The only way Conan and Shinichi can both be in the same game is if someone is disguised as Shinichi***

This means that, if Conan is in the game, someone (KID or Vermouth) can disguise as Shinichi. Therefore I would add the description:
- If the role Conan is in the list of names, then the player could get the disguise Shinichi

I think some people forget that fact :V

Why would you have to decide the phases you want to disguise as a certain role before already? :/ Also, will they get more disguises, after they used the disguised?
Or is it different now? Like you have: Shinichi, Ran, Eisuke, Satou, Araide.
Can you say: Night 1 and Night 2, I'll be Satou. Night 3 I'll be araide etc. So, reuse the disguises? Can he also be disguised at day then?
Night/day abilities aren't posted yet, so maybe it'll be cleared.

Amor (Yumi)
- Chooses 3 pairs of player names: These pairs shall become lovers if circumstances permit.

Can you reuse a player for the pairs? Like: Akonyl x Kleene, Akonyl x Dus, Akonyl x Abs. This way someone can make sure someone is a lover for sure :x

Snipe (Chianti, Korn) +Crime
- Sniping will bypass all protections, including the watch.
- The identity of the attacker doesn't get revealed
- Susceptible to healing

Headshot (Chianti, Korn) +Crime
- Headshots will bypass all healing
- Susceptible to protections - however, the protector dies instead (no healing will prevent this)

I don't understand why you separated this?

I understand that sniping bypasses protection, but not healing. And headshot bypasses healing, but can be "hindered" by protection, tho the protector dies(but here, what about the watch? Should get destroyed, but should be noted then imo)

Well, what I don't like is, that Snipers are hitmen. They are there to kill someone, not to shot someone in the leg. Since shooting someone in the leg won't kill him immediately and for 100%. This is why snipers aim for the head or for the heart. Since this can't be healed (usually).
Just a protector could jump in front of the person to protect him/her. With the risk to die instead.

Also, headshot will reveal the identity of the sniper? If the protector dies instead, the protector obviously won't know the attackers identity (or more like, he can't tell who it is :x)
But if the person was protected, the one who was protected could learn the identity.

But what about sonoko? When the BFF died with "Headshot"? IMO, then sonoko shouldn't learn the identity. Since it's not given that sonoko is glued to her BFF and always next to him/her. (sonoko is already stronger with mimicking her friends ability :V)

Imo, in both cases, headshot or snipe, the identity shouldn't be revealed. But noted that it was a sniper instead.

I don't agree with Bourbon not having spy anymore D: I'll cry rivers and make a voodoo doll for Abs., which is a shemale, and torture it the whole day and night *cries, whines*
You probably wanted to give Calvados a ability, that won't be used over and over. But Calvados can already copy abilities (and I think he still can), so he'll be even more powerful with spy :V
And I prefer it when bourbon is similar to Okiya

Investigate x # (Gin, Nakamori, Satou, Akai, Kir, Shinichi, Heiji, Conan)
- Investigate/Special Investigate is handled as the same action when investigated/staked-out
- The player can Investigate a certain number of actions "#". He can only Investigate the actions that are happening in the same night he's Investigating. He may not Investigate actions from previous nights, or Day actions.
- He may investigate if someone is disguised, but he must name the specific disguise.
- He may investigate killings and attacks. If the killing was interrupted by protection, healing or first aid then the investigation will still be true and considered an attack. If the killing was neutralized, then it did not happen and cannot be investigated.
- If a neutralized action is investigated, then the action will be shown as "false", because the action wasn't done in the end. Exception: Neutralization loop.
- If the player was killed, the action wasn't done and it will come out as "False"
- Even if a protection or heal wasn't necessary, as long as the player did the order and wasn't neutralized, arrested, or killed, it will come out as "True"
- Black Suitcase and Blamed actions appear as if they were legitimate actions.
- Killing/Attack/Murder; Healing/First Aid; Investigate/Special Investigate; Protect/Lovey-Dovey/Big Brother; Observe/Stake-out are considered the same actions.
Just use ""Kill", "Investigate", "Heal" and "Protect" in general here. You don't need to specify since it won't tell you the difference anyway. And you'll know whether the action was a killing or attack depending on whether someone died.

Stills says blame in the description. But you renamed it
Interrogate and cross-examine were also same keywords.

@tome: Yeah, 5 special investigations could be a bit much.Especially if he get's to know a deduction list :V He could just go through the list in one night O.o"
Maybe giving him 3 special investigates instead and remove one from kirs (Kir: 2xinv and 1x s.inv?)


@haibara: Haibara can follow 2x?
1. how is that possible to follow 2 people in the same day? XD Haibara can clone?
2. She's already strong with follow. No need to make her even stronger imo. Especially since she can also identify akemi now too.

[Akonyl]

Spoiler:

Snipe (Chianti, Korn) +Crime
- Sniping will bypass all protections, including the watch.
- The identity of the attacker doesn't get revealed
- Susceptible to healing

Headshot (Chianti, Korn) +Crime
- Headshots will bypass all healing
- Susceptible to protections - however, the protector dies instead (no healing will prevent this)

I don't understand why you separated this?

I understand that sniping bypasses protection, but not healing. And headshot bypasses healing, but can be "hindered" by protection, tho the protector dies(but here, what about the watch? Should get destroyed, but should be noted then imo)

Well, what I don't like is, that Snipers are hitmen. They are there to kill someone, not to shot someone in the leg. Since shooting someone in the leg won't kill him immediately and for 100%. This is why snipers aim for the head or for the heart. Since this can't be healed (usually).
Just a protector could jump in front of the person to protect him/her. With the risk to die instead.

basically, the intents of the abilities (to me) basically look like:
Snipe: Use this if you want to make sure a particular player dies. It can fail if the person's healed, but if they're protected you can still manage to kill the player.
Headshot: Use this if you want to make sure someone dies, you just don't really care who. It can't be healed, and if they're successfully protected, the protector dies anyway so you still get a kill out of it.

So, it makes sense to separate the two, because you'd use them in slightly different scenarios.

Only confusing part is that "Headshot" is the way "Snipe" currently works, but here "Snipe" is a new ability so some people might get confused.

dunno about the identity learning parts, though.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Big Brother (Akai)
- Protect/Big Brother is handled as the same action when investigated/stake-out
- The player can use the ability on one target. This target will be protected completely in case he/she was about to become the victim of a headshot. The headshot shooter will fail his killing and will get injured as a result.
- If the target was killed in another way than a headshot, then the target will die and Akai didn't injure anyone.
- If the shooter was injured, there will be a message that someone was injured (not how, meaning it could have been first aid too). The shooter can't use headshot anymore, but can still kill normally. Also, they can still use Revenge as the only exception when someone gets injured.
- Big Brother > Watch protection > Protect > Heal > First Aid

Should be mentioned in the Headshot description, that Big brother can hinder it.
I preferred the name "Bone-breaker" tho :x

@akonyl:
I understand the intention, but still :V Wasn't necessary D: And will totally confuse people XD Tho detecting protectors/healers now will be a good strategy too
But basically I still think the concept "sniping" can't be healed in any way, since you aim for the head or the heart anyway :V That's what bugs me :x

Spoiler:

Heal (Araide)
- Heal/First aid is handled as the same action when investigated/staked-out
- Can use Heal on any player, including himself.
- The healed player doesn't die because of Killing. Can't heal APTX or cure an injured player.
- If the target was on the receiving end of a headshot, heal won't save the victim.
- If successfully healed, the healer will know that he successfully healed. The target and the attacker will be notified that the target was healed, but not by whom.
- Big Brother > Watch protection > Protect > Heal > First Aid

First Aid (Kobayashi)
- Heal/First aid is handled as the same action when investigated/stake-out
- May use First Aid on himself/herself.
- The player who received First Aid will not die if successfully attacked, but will instead become injured.
- Actions lower than killing on the Order of Actions done by the target will fail, because he got injured.
- If target receives headshot, the target will still die and won't be saved.
- If succesfully healed/First aided, the healer will know that he succesfully first-aided the target. The target and the attacker will know that someone healed/First aided the target, but not who.
- Big Brother > Watch protection > Protect > Heal > First Aid

Don't wanna bug. But for the heal section, it's better when it also says that the healed one and the attacker get's to know that someone was "healed/first aided". There was a case once that someone thought it was definitely a heal, just because I as a GM didn't say it was "heal/First aid"  :V

Spoiler:

Anokata
NIGHT: Frame
NIGHT: APTX, 1x (whether success or fail) per game. WILL KILL JAILBIRDS.
DAY: Black Suitcase

interrogation: Not BO
scent: No
disguise: No
steal: Gun, Car-keys
observe: Adult/Teenager/Child (Random)

Anokata can use the Black Suitcase during Night 1 for him-/herself. During Day 1 it can be given to any member of the BO.

If more than 1 person observes him at the same night, both will get the same random result.

Just Anokatas APTX kills jailbirds? I hope not :V Otherwise the BO can't do anything against jailbirds when they don't have anokata. And if a prisoner get's APTXed, the Town will know anokata is around :V