Espionage - Round 5 (Spy and Informants Win)

[PhantomWriter]

I got killed already!? Awwww
At least we got one Informant!
Well I'll just be hanging around here... *floats off*

I tried to bluff and it didn't work. >>'

*joins RoboG55 in the graveyard as a ghost*

[dumytru]

"Ditch Day 1" ...it worked...?! xDD

*after 13 hours...* -_-

alright,.. Let's get to work!

i nominate Fujiwara to be voted Day 2. you guys don't have to provide reasons if you want to have another candidate for the lynch. buttttt, give a damn good reason on why you are voting for whoever person you're voting. i have my reasons. but i choose to disclose it after i see a good number of discussions from you all. Let's do this!
Fujiwara
Kleene Onigiri = not spy
Raifuujin

I'm not exactly sure what do you mean by "it worked", the spy killed, which means that the informants identified themselves.
At least, we must think so.


I don't I agree with you nominating Fujiwara because she proved to be a good player.
She provides good deductions and information.

Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't vote Fujiwara at all.
I'm saying that we should be a little more careful, as she can and will provide a great aid to the civilian side.
Of course, if you have a good reason, that's something else.

I'm not voting for Fujiwara.. at least for now.

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Then I'm voting for a random person. I apologize in advance if I vote for a civilian or the detective to get lynched. :I

Oh, the irony.

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Not sure yet who to nominate, I just woke up and I'm running late for school because I'm writing this.


Edit: SA, you said something about a self-vote to be the order.
Now that I think about it, PhantomWriter also wanted to vote for himself but we convinced him is wasn't a good idea.
I don't think it's very likely, but it's worth mentioning, at the very least.

[MoonRaven]

I just realized that I got one vote too...

[Stopwatch]

I just realized that I got one vote too...

You called?

EDIT: Btw, remember that the Informants can't tell who is "A" and who is "B" of them and so could very easily have used the same way to tell the Spy who they are. I saw two potentials, both involving the known Informant and something someone else posted. Let's see, punctuation or hugs, maybe? I really hope it's not the latter after that was given as an example several times in posts.

And it's just occurred to me, if we eliminate the Informants first then maybe we could just vote those not on our lists? However, this is pretty risky and unless we already have an idea who's susp we may just target Civilians while narrowing down who the Detective is for the Spy. Maybe if the numbers go down later it will be worth it?

[Fujiwara]

On identifying informants:

and oh, what's with the self-vote? is that an order from the spy?

I already said this in the last round, but I think theorizing too much about how the informants identified themselves (or not) isn't very helpful. There's countless ways to let the informants identify themselves that are basically impossible to figure out. In Round 3 one order was to 'mention how excited you are to be working together with your teammate' and in Round 4 it was to 'include the words however and live in a post.' Even if the informants messed up and both used the same signal, it's unlikely to be noticeable. And we have no guarantee that they messed up.
I just think we should keep that in mind and not put too much stock into identifying the remaining informant in this way.

Now, about the self-vote as a signal from the informants in particular: I think that'd be a pretty bad signal for all the reasons Togop mentioned. If, however, the spy is a new player who didn't think about it overly much, I guess a signal like that is possible. The only reason I even mention this is because I find it slightly out of character for Togop to self-vote.
But as I mentioned previously, I think we could come up with a hundred theories for who the informant is based on what was said (because the 2 informants may very well have used different signals for all we know), so this isn't enough to convince me he's an informant.

On lynching Fujiwara:
I don't find myself particularly suspicious at the moment, so I don't support this nomination. I might change my mind though if you can give me some good reasons.

Other thoughts:
So, PhantomWriter was an informant and voted for miyano_shiho. I think it would have been very dangerous for an informant to vote for the spy on Day 1. This makes me think it's rather unlikely for Miyano to be the spy. I'm not going to exclude her being an informant, since Phantom may not have been able to identify the other informant, or may have voted the other informant for camouflage purposes, but for now I'd put spy at very unlikely. Except if [insert nefarious plan here], of course.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

when i said "it worked", that was my reaction on the first twelve hours of Day 1. even though there wasn't an agreement, i was kinda glad nobody was talking and sure enough one informant fell for the trap however, came the thirteenth hour, someone, who actually kinda supported the idea of not talking in Day 1, posted... and then followed by another person, and another person, and another person -_-, and another person ~_~ ! and oh, another person, and another one ! please do note that i do not suspect you Day 1 posters! while i suggested the 'Ditch Day 1' strategy, and we didn't actually reached a consensus, i thought i had the majority of civilians agree with me,.. at least for the first 12 hours of Day 1. Looks like, most players are more active on the next 12 hours of the day phase... shall i change my sleeping schedule ... anyway, Day 1 pretty much went well since everything went... natural... if we actually decided to go through the 'Ditch Day 1' plan, all the spy had to do is just wait...

i kinda have an idea of what might have been the Day 1 order... but it's rather ridiculous if it's actually that...

and now,.. Fujiwara... yes, her...

everybody can be a good player. everybody IS a good player. so, why will i vote the person? well, see here...

*post from Round 5 - Prep Phase*

12hours to Day 1

heh... usually people begin hype procedures by now xD...

when i posted this, i kinda was calling out for Fujiwara. i, too, believe she is a very valuable player. but so is Togop, Stopwatch, Kleene Onigiri, Jellitto, dumytru, miyano_shiho, Yuri Iwamoto, Raifuujin, Jecka, MoonRaven, and RainHeaven... now, did i just name everybody. so yes, the quoted post above... Fujiwara usually starts her hype at prep phase! i've been waiting and waiting... but nope... not even day 1. where's the usual probability talk? tie voting? newly crafted strategy or whatever? unless of course she's busy but the only people that said that they are going to be busy even before the game started are RoboG55, PhantomWriter, Togop, Stopwatch, and Jecka... i've also been waiting for Togop and Stopwatch's hype i've been repeating that the 'Fake Investigate' strategy should be set aside since i wanna know if you guys have something else in mind. and again, the strategy itself doesn't work until mr. detective receives his first results. now, after this phase - day 2, is the crucial point. mr. detective will now have a second result to compare with his first one. i'll talk about it again Day 3, hopefully i'm still alive

oh, hey! Stopwatch and Fujiwara finally posted ↑ \o/ but lemme post this first then i'll maybe think about changing my vote

[Fujiwara]

*post from Round 5 - Prep Phase*

12hours to Day 1

heh... usually people begin hype procedures by now xD...

when i posted this, i kinda was calling out for Fujiwara. i, too, believe she is a very valuable player. but so is Togop, Stopwatch, Kleene Onigiri, Jellitto, dumytru, miyano_shiho, Yuri Iwamoto, Raifuujin, Jecka, MoonRaven, and RainHeaven... now, did i just name everybody. so yes, the quoted post above... Fujiwara usually starts her hype at prep phase! i've been waiting and waiting... but nope... not even day 1. where's the usual probability talk? tie voting? newly crafted strategy or whatever? unless of course she's busy but the only people that said that they are going to be busy even before the game started are RoboG55, PhantomWriter, Togop, Stopwatch, and Jecka...

I can sort of see where you're coming from with this, but I think you're too quick too judge, for various reasons:

1. You don't actually have a lot of data to work with when you say that I usually start my hype during prep phase. Of the three previous rounds I've played, I only did so in 2 of them. I stayed pretty quiet in the beginning of round 2. So that's 66% of cases and with a pretty small sample to boot.

2. The reason I was very active in the beginning Round 2 is because I had a strategy I wanted to propose and implement, not the other way around. This time I was more quiet because I unfortunately didn't have a good idea for a strategy.

3. Similarly, the reason I was rather active in the beginning of last round was because everyone else was very active and I felt I had something to contribute. I'm not usually active for the sake of activeness, but rather because I feel I have something to contribute.

5. I am actually busier than during the last two rounds, but not so busy that I can't post and vote, so I didn't think it worth mentioning. Also, I'm a bit distracted by DC being very hype at the moment. So, just in case there was any doubt about it, don't expect me to say a lot tomorrow, since it's spoiler day and that'll keep me most busy.

6. If I were on the spy side, I would actually take extra care to behave like I did in pervious rounds in order not to arouse suspicion.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I'll leave you to make up your mind now.

[Kleene Onigiri]

i am not refusing to explain. i said...

... but i choose to disclose it after i see a good number of discussions from you all...

and oh, what's with the self-vote? is that an order from the spy?

No. I just didn't have anyone to vote for. Besides, an order for informants to self-vote doesn't make sense because it both increases the chances for the informant to get lynched, limits their actions, and considering how many self-votes happened day 1 in some previous games, it's likely to fail to identify the informant anyway.

Anyway, guess I'll go along with what I think you have in mind (though I think you should stop) even if it's too transperant to work.
Anyway, about Fujiwara, so far he voted for Kleene. Kleene, along with Raifuujin, voted for Jellitto.
Kleene day 1 said she'd do SA's strategy (I believe referring to the no-post), but posting itself ruins the strategy the goal of which was not to let the informants identify. This makes me wonder if she's informant, or just wanted to post yet not post anything substantial.
Fujiwara... I don't want to lynch her yet, despite the reasons I suspect you have, as she'd be valuable to civillians if she's one.

No, I actually wanted to to the Fake Investigate strategy. But seems no one else is doing it (not even SA) so now I'm sad

[Stopwatch]

Ah, okay then.

Fujiwara: Not Spy :V.

[MoonRaven]

I just realized that I got one vote too...

You called?

Maybe...

Hey, fake investigation! Nice! I'm in too! I hope that others also join... Kleeners? SA?
After all via this it's possible that the detective also joins and even if they end up killed, the civilians still have a chance to find the spy. But that all has been stated before, right? Why am I repeating people?

Kleene Onigiri: Not spy :V

Yeah, I like repeating. Repeating... Repeating...

And I'm probably a bit tired since my mind is making somersaults.. I still need to decided whom to vote...

[dumytru]

Okay, first thing first. I thought I'd sleep for a while and I ended up sleeping until now, four hours to the phase end.

SA, here are the tags you can use (for lynched, killed).
https://www.mediafire.com/?ildcti716rbqqnp

I never changed arrested to lynched, but you can do that, sorry. If you don't have any fonts, tell me and I'll upload them, or change them as you want.

[Fujiwara]

Soo, fake investigates ...

One thing to keep in mind in order to minimize the danger of giving away that you're definitely not the detective by announcing 'Spy: not spy' is to base your 'Investigate' results on your own deductions of who is least likely to be the spy, instead of just randomly declaring someone not to be the spy. (You may already have been doing that, but I just thought I should point it out again.)

Also, if you do have such deductions, it is of course always often helpful to share them in the thread, to help us single out the spy. The detective can do the same by giving reasons for why he believes the person he investigated is a Civilian, so this doesn't in any way compromise his cover. (I certainly hid my investigate results in my deductions when I was detective in round 2.)

That being said, I totally investigated Miyano and found out she's not the spy. Yep. *nods decisively*

[Stopwatch]

I just realized that I got one vote too...

You called?

Maybe...

Hey, fake investigation! Nice! I'm in too! I hope that others also join... Kleeners? SA?
After all via this it's possible that the detective also joins and even if they end up killed, the civilians still have a chance to find the spy. But that all has been stated before, right? Why am I repeating people?

Kleene Onigiri: Not spy :V

Yeah, I like repeating. Repeating... Repeating...

And I'm probably a bit tired since my mind is making somersaults.. I still need to decided whom to vote...

Your punctuation is odd, and has been since D1. Perhaps you could explain?

[MoonRaven]

I just realized that I got one vote too...

You called?

Maybe...

Hey, fake investigation! Nice! I'm in too! I hope that others also join... Kleeners? SA?
After all via this it's possible that the detective also joins and even if they end up killed, the civilians still have a chance to find the spy. But that all has been stated before, right? Why am I repeating people?

Kleene Onigiri: Not spy :V

Yeah, I like repeating. Repeating... Repeating...

And I'm probably a bit tired since my mind is making somersaults.. I still need to decided whom to vote...

Just to be clear, I think you're an Informant and you are doing nothing to change my mind. Perhaps a defense at this stage would be reasonable?

Me? An informant? Geez, a defense, I suck at these. I've thought even in my fics ways to defend oneself but they all can be countered as claiming them overdefending...

Let's give this a shot though... Have I done anything to stir the soup here other than siding with fake investigation? And why would I vote my own informant if I were a spy? I'm in the same position than any other of you. I know the names on my list: two informants, detective and bunch of names among which might or might not be a spy.

In addition to announcing Kleeners as non-spy: Not only she is vaguely on the same lines than I but she doesn't give me a vibe of being a spy. An informant maybe but not a spy. The same applies on you and a couple of other participants here but for now they all are just hunches since the game is quite in the beginning still and I'm not that good at making deductions than... say SA or Jd- or Fuji.

About me voting PhantomWriter on the last round: Their(I'm don't remember anyone's gender yet, sorry) behavior stroke me suspicious. They were really vocal about everything and gave me a vibe that something was off. So I voted them and by a stroke of luck they happened to be an Informant.

At the moment I'm looking for an ally to work with a discuss without throwing accusations around.(Thought my work and timezone might prevent that). I was hoping that you'd be one of those since you have more experience than I do about this game(and possibly mafia too). I even decided on the last minute not to vote you today just for the sake of randomness and revenge for voting me last night. We all work with the help of hunches after all.

Now I'm asking what made you suspect that I was a spy? I'm curious to know.

EDIT: I just realized that none of that probably will help my case *facepalm*

[Fujiwara]

At the moment I'm looking for an ally to work with a discuss without throwing accusations around.(Thought my work and timezone might prevent that). I was hoping that you'd be one of those since you have more experience than I do about this game(and possibly mafia too).

Most importantly: It is not allowed to talk about this game outside of the thread (except with the game master). Any and all discussion must take place within this thread.

Also, within your defense you started with "Me? An informant?" but then went on to explain why you can't be the spy, which is a very different role ...