Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Edogawa4869]

I believe that Akonyl said that it was up to the next GM whether or not she was included.

Changed:

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact
Night Action: Eagle Eye
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise:  No
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players.  If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.

*Eagle Eye
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-Whenever a sniping takes place, Kir recieves a note telling her the identity of the character who sniped the victim.

[Detective Tommy]

I see, well it looks good to me.

[Eve]

Problem is, Kir will technically be the sole back bone behind every operation...... talk about a role that'll be hard to find allies.....

[Detective Tommy]

Wait, what are you talking about?
She has the ability contact. So it helps her make allies...

[xpon]

can we give Akemi a chance for not killing ?

so she can skipped ....in the rules about
- All BO must kill before they can kill again!

[Yurikochan]

can we give Akemi a chance for not killing ?

so she can skipped ....in the rules about
- All BO must kill before they can kill again!

Or maybe she can have one chance to skip.

[Kleene Onigiri]

First thing, I like so much talk here XD And that even Edogawatoxin, who never played yet, has so many ideas
But I also noticed, that people that never played BO yet are trying to make the town way too strong ;P

And you guys went from overly-powerfull Kir to Kir, that's like Sonoko, jsut that she can fail horribly. People were already complaining about Sonoko and her being useless/too passive.

Also, you don't have to force to get a certain role. And the next GM will decide whether the idea get's into the next game or not

I believe that Akonyl said that it was up to the next GM whether or not she was included.

Changed:

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact
Night Action: Eagle Eye
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise:  No
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players.  If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.

*Eagle Eye
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-Whenever a sniping takes place, Kir recieves a note telling her the identity of the character who sniped the victim.

@Eagle Eye: I don't understand the use.
She will get to know the identity, like, Chianti or Korn were the snipers? If that's the case, that ability is useless, since there is usually a GM note, that the one who died was sniped or not. And knowing whether he/she was sniped isn't a great info either. Since you can always arrest/investigate for killing, even when it's sniping.
If she get's to know, who the sniper is (pofa(chianti) shot akonyl on night 1) or something like that, the it's too powerfull. Because once the Sniper uses sniping, he's caught by Kir.

@contact: basically, another group forming. Like sonoko. And she doesn't have an active ability (besides that eagle eye, which is either useless or too powerfull)

both abilities can fail. No contact and there could be no sniper in the game too. I don't think Kir is any good that way :x Besides maybe for the BO to pretend as XD

@knowing all BO roles (what was suggested earlier):
Too powerful. She can tell it in the thread. And the BO can either:
APTX her -> info is true -> Okiya doesn't have to check BO roles anymore and can always use first aid
Don't APTX her -> She get's checked -> Town focuses on her role to identify her -> could get lynched by town


Well, I also thought about Kir, and have a suggestion ;p

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact (maybe?)
Status: NOC
Night Action: Betrayal OR Special Investigate
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise:  Yes (with Contact: no)
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*NOC
Role with that action: Kir
- She get's to know how many BO are in the game (not the identity)
- This way she also knows the number of APTX in the game (doesn't get to know if APTX was used or not during the game!)

*Betrayal
Role with that action: Kir
- If she decides to use betrayal, she randomly get's to know one activity of the BO that was done on that night.
Killing/Sniping: Gin killed on that night or Chianti sniped someone.
Slander: Gin used slander on that night
Investigate: Gin investigated someone.
Vermouth: Vermouth did one of her disguise actions. (maybe leaving that out?)
Erase: Pisco erased someone. (useless, since usually you would know an erasing happened, but not if someone was protected.) Adding maybe: In case she got the "earsing" as a result and an will was erased, Kir will get to know the will (and maybe even the identity of the player that was erased)
Detect: Get's to know that Okiya used Detect (and maybe which role was checked too, but without getting a result)
Abduct: Knows that Irish abducted someone (not who tho)
Spy: Knows that Irish used Spy (and maybe what players were spied on, not what role was found)
Discombobulate: Knows that Vodka discombobulated on that night (not knowing who the target was)
Steal: Knows that Akemi stole from someone (not who and what item was stolen)
Black Suitcase: I prefer not to get her to know if someone use black suitcase and what action it was. SO no info on Black Suitcase

With Betrayal she get's to know 1 BO role. This can repeat, so she could get to know that Gin in in the game on night 1 and night 2 (since it's random what result Kir gets). She would also know if Gin slandered or not etc. Also helpful, but not too powerful. And she would know what role killed on what night. So, if Gin dies and she knows gin killed someone on night 1, she knows that the police doesn't have to try to arrest someone for the night 1 killing.
And special investigate. Although people don't like to have more investigate, I think with betrayal, it's a good combination for Kir. She can just use on ability at night, not both. Also, I have another ability idea, which I will write about later in this post ;p
And James Black is the only with special investigate atm. So, he's likely to be found out and get's Aptxed, since just haing 1 investigate is hard to hide from people. With Kir also having it, it would help James Black a bit to hide from the BO too.

@contact:
I like that idea. I thought about adding it too in my Kir version. Only doubt I have are, that she can ally with the FBI. And James Black aslo has special investigate, which could make a powerful alliance with betrayal and 2x special investigate. Or any other alliance too. But it can always fail, and the chance of getting a good ally is also not 100%
And I would make it so, that she can also contact Vermouth/KID in case he/she's disguised as one of the roles.

Something I've been thinking about for a couple rounds now: I think we need another way for townies to get arrested. We only have Kid and Eisuke that can be arrested, and the town is pretty strong as it is, so maybe borrow one of the BO abilities, attach it to a townie (like Kir, for example, though I don't know which ability), and that gives the BO another townie role to hide behind in case they're arrested.

Just a thought.

I agree. And I thought about a ability for the BO (I had a similar idea when I did my Bombing idea :p):

*Blame
Role with that action: Anokata or another BO role
- Can blame one town role for a arrestable night action. A investigation on that will come out as "true" (similar to Black suitcase, just that it's for blaming townies)
- Can only be used on townspeople.
Example: Blaming for slandering: Commi-ninja will get blamed for slandering xpon on night 1.
Anyone investigating: Commi-ninja slandered xpon on night 1 will come out as "true", although Commi-ninja didn't and can't slander.
The police can arrest Commi-ninja for slandering on night 1, although she didn't do it. (different from Black suitcase)

Not sure which BO role should get that (in case it get's into the game ;p). Maybe for Anokata, and blaming can't be investigated.

as far as scents go, I don't see why she should have one, because as far as I know she's never been mentioned as having one.

Also, big no to "meeting" being a prep phase action, prep phase actions shouldn't be given unless it's needed. Because her input isn't needed, it could very well be a status (like james black's FBI leader), or a night 1 auto-action like irish's abduction.

and I'm against her being BO, that was the original idea with the character (vermouth could switch sides too), but the whole idea of a traitor character is a little imbalanced when they can just jump ship and give away everyone's identities.


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As far as the other BO I had in mind:

Elena Miyano
Master Poisoner
-Can use APTX capsules during the night

Atsushi Miyano
Mad Scientist
-WHen he successfully kills someone, the BO gains 1 APTX capsule.

Numabuchi Kichiro (or whatever his name is)
Serial Killer
-Numabuchi is omitted from the "BO must share kills" rule. Thus, he can kill every single night, never kill or any amount of times, no matter how many times other members have killed people.
Day Action: Hide

Hide:
-Numabuchi goes into hiding for the day phase it's used on, and the following night phase.
-While hiding, Numabuchi can have no actions done to him (treated as discombobulated), and can perform no actions.
-Hiding precedes arresting, so that if someone attempts to arrest him on the same day he hides, the arrest will fail.
-Special case: if numabuchi is lynched, he won't be able to hide
-Hide can only be done X times per game?

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The only problems with these roles is that theoretically, none of them should have a scent, which then makes haibara seem a little less useful.

I like those ideas ;P Tho they all need some fine tuning. Although we don't know much about Elena and Atsushi, there aren't many possible BO roles left. And we also don't know much about Bourbon, Calvados and Anokata either, and still added them ;p

Well, maybe Elena and Atsushi need 1 ability more. I dunno tho.

The hiding and numabuchis serial killing isn't too powerful. Hiding is just good against being arrested, he can still be lynched.
And even tho he's a serial killer, maybe he can just kill 3 times in a row, then he's exhaused and another BO has to kill so that numabuchi can kill again.
And there are also BO's that have special killing abilities. Like sniping, or erasing.



Not, to another ability I thought about. For Town, could also be added for BO.

*I'm watching you pee! (sorry, don't have a name for it yet. And observing and following etc. are already in the game ;p)
Role with that action: Town or BO
- Night action
- The player "watches" another player. He get's a PM from the GM, which results what kind of night actions were used on that player.
Example: Kleene is the watcher, and watches over Akonyl. All actions that were preformed on Akonyl will get known to me, but not who did that to akonyl.
So, as a result I could get:
Akonyl was protected, investigated, interrogated, tricked, got a charm, got bow-tie, got watch, was first aided, was healed, was sniped, was a killing target, got something stolen, observed etc.
I don't get to know how often he was investigated or interrogated etc.
- Black Suitcase can't be detected. It will also show as a normal action, although it was a Black suitcase action. So a Fake interrogation will also be shown. Same with the Blaming (in case it get's added)

I thought about replacing some investigations from the police and giving them that ability (which would be something like a stake-out).
Maybe giving Takagi and Chiba those abilities. And Yumi, Shiratori, Satou and Megure keep their investigation power (tho Megure is being discussed too now)

A BO role could also get the ability. Since knowing if a person was protected or healed could be handy.


@Megure:
Maybe giving him just a limited amount of House searches? Like 3?

* Megure, Police Inspector
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Night action: House search 3x
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear

* Satou, Police Sergeant
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties

* Takagi, Police Sergeant
Night action: Watching
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Shiratori, Assistant Police Inspector
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Alcohol

* Chiba, Police Officer
Night action: Watching
Night/Day action: Arrest
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys

* Yumi, Amor
Night action: Investigate 3
Night/Day action: Arrest
Prep. action: Amor
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Panties, Alcohol

^possible change

[Akonyl]

*I'm watching you pee! (sorry, don't have a name for it yet. And observing and following etc. are already in the game ;p)

oh dear. Also, this was an idea I'd thought of before as well, I was thinking perhaps something like "stake-out", which would make sense if given to takagi/chiba, as they've both been on stakeouts before. It would also get rid of investigations, which I'm all for. :V

anyway, I'm staying out of the kir discussion for the most part, so I'm just gonna let other people talk about her.

as for megure's house searches, I'm not sure he has to have the number limited if he's having arresting taken away also, unless it's also making him not lose any abilities when they fail. Otherwise, I think for now taking away normal arresting would be enough.

I also think Anokata should have another ability, whether it's Blame, or a permanent black suitcase, or whatever, because as things are now he's not really that much better than vermouth (and in that case, is only better if haibara's in the game). The only problem I see with Blame is that if Vermouth is a police officer, and Anokata's blaming people, you could effectively kill 2 people per night. And if calvados covers the blamer, and there's not a rule against that, you could kill 2 at night and 1 at day. Unless there's a stipulation that a Vermouth-Police can't arrest for fake crimes.

[xpon]

Stakeout is a better name kleene.

and can you let Satou and shiratori to do the stakeout!

takagi kinda lame in stakingout or disguise!

and i hope 2 police that get this ability is both woman and men.

so it dont mess up the observe ability!

[Kleene Onigiri]

The name I choose is brilliant! ;p

@megure: Oh, I meant it more like:
Either normal house search (like usuall) and no arresting
or
Arresting but just 3x house search. Forgot to write it there :x

@blame: Well, if vermouth is disguised as a police. she can't arrest people for blamed actions D: Would be too powerful. Didn't think about that :x Still needs some fine-tuning
And as long as vermouth can't do that, then calvados covering the blamer shouldn't be a problem then I guess.

[Akonyl]

The name I choose is brilliant! ;p

@megure: Oh, I meant it more like:
Either normal house search (like usuall) and no arresting
or
Arresting but just 3x house search. Forgot to write it there :x

@blame: Well, if vermouth is disguised as a police. she can't arrest people for blamed actions D: Would be too powerful. Didn't think about that :x Still needs some fine-tuning
And as long as vermouth can't do that, then calvados covering the blamer shouldn't be a problem then I guess.

gotcha. And true enough on the covering thing.

Also:
"I investigate: Is kleene watching me pee?"
GM: "True"
!

would make for some weird investigating.

[Kleene Onigiri]

The name I choose is brilliant! ;p

@megure: Oh, I meant it more like:
Either normal house search (like usuall) and no arresting
or
Arresting but just 3x house search. Forgot to write it there :x

@blame: Well, if vermouth is disguised as a police. she can't arrest people for blamed actions D: Would be too powerful. Didn't think about that :x Still needs some fine-tuning
And as long as vermouth can't do that, then calvados covering the blamer shouldn't be a problem then I guess.

gotcha. And true enough on the covering thing.

Also:
"I investigate: Is kleene watching me pee?"
GM: "True"
!

would make for some weird investigating.

LOL! Oh jeez! That's even better that I thought when I was choosing the name! XD

[Akonyl]

The name I choose is brilliant! ;p

@megure: Oh, I meant it more like:
Either normal house search (like usuall) and no arresting
or
Arresting but just 3x house search. Forgot to write it there :x

@blame: Well, if vermouth is disguised as a police. she can't arrest people for blamed actions D: Would be too powerful. Didn't think about that :x Still needs some fine-tuning
And as long as vermouth can't do that, then calvados covering the blamer shouldn't be a problem then I guess.

gotcha. And true enough on the covering thing.

Also:
"I investigate: Is kleene watching me pee?"
GM: "True"
!

would make for some weird investigating.

LOL! Oh jeez! That's even better that I thought when I was choosing the name! XD

You subconsciously knew it was going to come to that, I know how your mind works.

[Edogawa4869]

Well, I'm certainly glad to have someone else's opinion on Kir!  Looking at both versions of Kir (yours and mine), I much rather prefer yours.  I just have a couple of questions:

@Betrayal: Will Kir only learn the actions of one BO throughout the entire game each night or will it change?

@Blame: If I remember correctly, when someone investigates a possible crime and it comes out to be true, an Auto-Report may go out to a police character.  If someone is Blamed for the crime, sometimes the report won't make sense, correct?

(Ex.: Sebolains (Anokata) Blames Edogawa4869 (Akai) for slandering Kleene Onigiri (Sonoko); Akonyl (Shinichi) Investigates Edogawa4869 (Akai); Detective Tommy (Takagi) receives an Auto-Report

Akonyl: Edogawa4869 Slandered Kleene Onigiri. (Result: True)

Auto-Report received by Detective Tommy: Akai Slandered Sonoko)

In this situation, Akai can't Slander anyone, so should an Auto-Report go out for Blamed Actions?

@I'm Watching You Pee! (Stake-Out): I like it.  From what I've seen in the thread, there has been far too many Investigating characters based on the reactions I've seen in the thread.

@Contact: I'm not entirely sure what you mean.  From what I gather, you like it because it can prove to be a great alliance or a glaring failure.  Also, about Vermouth/Kid, I'm not entirely sure about giving Vermouth a chance to be the Contact.  After all, if Kir Contacts Vermouth disguised as Shinichi, then she could easily be dead within the first phase!

The name I choose is brilliant! ;p

@megure: Oh, I meant it more like:
Either normal house search (like usuall) and no arresting
or
Arresting but just 3x house search. Forgot to write it there :x

@blame: Well, if vermouth is disguised as a police. she can't arrest people for blamed actions D: Would be too powerful. Didn't think about that :x Still needs some fine-tuning
And as long as vermouth can't do that, then calvados covering the blamer shouldn't be a problem then I guess.

gotcha. And true enough on the covering thing.

Also:
"I investigate: Is kleene watching me pee?"
GM: "True"
!

would make for some hilarious investigating.

Fixed.

Anyway, I think that I'm done.  Now I need to get back to my paper.  See ya later!

[Akonyl]

@Contact: I'm not entirely sure what you mean.  From what I gather, you like it because it can prove to be a great alliance or a glaring failure.  Also, about Vermouth/Kid, I'm not entirely sure about giving Vermouth a chance to be the Contact.  After all, if Kir Contacts Vermouth disguised as Shinichi, then she could easily be dead within the first phase!

true, but this is a problem Sonoko has to deal with as well. Just mention to some people / your will that if you're poisoned/killed, X knew your role or something.