Mafia Round 16 - Yarrharr~ (BO wins!)

[Edogawa4869]

Spoiler: Holy Grail

More witches......Wood.

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So, why do witches burn?

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Because they're made of…wood?

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Good!  So how do we tell whether she is made of wood?

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Build a bridge out of her.

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Ah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?

[Commi-Ninja]

I think I'm gonna lynch breva. :/

Unless, of course, someone would like to provide some decisive evidence for/against her or pofa.

Feel free to PM me if you wish.

[Shin101]

I think I'm gonna lynch breva. :/

Unless, of course, someone would like to provide some decisive evidence for/against her or pofa.

Feel free to PM me if you wish.

^

[PT]

For all we know, pofa might just be BO. However, we don't know that for sure. She could be town. And if we lose another town it's 4 down to 0 BO down. Not really looking too bright for us.

I do know that pofa has at least been willing to cooperate with the DBs, so that makes me a little more willing to give her a chance.

And I had also heard from an ally that pofa was proven on Night 1 as Not BO (possibly by breva? I dunno; they didn't say who proved her), and then all of a sudden breva says she is? And this is after breva was suspected of being BO by xpon (not that that really means a whole lot), but something about this seems off. Like maybe she's trying to push suspicion on someone else to get it away from herself?

Maybe that's not the case, but I think we can't ignore that possibility.

[Dus]

True, breva is a bit suspicious as well, BUT: Wouldn't it be a stupid move for the BO to suddenly claim someone is BO when they had proven them before?
I'd rather have the DBs identify pofa, but that will probably mean that breva dies today. And that I don't want to happen either, since I have more reason to trust breva than to trust pofa.

[PT]

I don't really have any reason to trust either of them. However, breva has only been giving vague answers as to why she's so sure pofa is BO, whereas, like I said before, pofa's been willing to cooperate.

[pofa]

True, breva is a bit suspicious as well, BUT: Wouldn't it be a stupid move for the BO to suddenly claim someone is BO when they had proven them before?
I'd rather have the DBs identify pofa, but that will probably mean that breva dies today. And that I don't want to happen either, since I have more reason to trust breva than to trust pofa.

That's what I said a few pages ago. breva, on the other hand, will still not even entertain the possibility that she could be wrong, even though I've offered to have myself proven now. But she won't tell anyone (except presumably you) why; she's just pushing ahead for me to get lynched. So yeah, I could be wrong, but I know breva is wrong, and I can't really do anything but lynch her since she won't answer any questions.

As PT said ealier, we're down three townies already. Depending on how many BO there are, and if there have been any failed APTX attempts, the BO may think it's worth it to throw suspicion on one of their members in order to obtain another town lynch today. Because frankly, the BO can vote for me on breva's suggestion without looking too suspicious now (although that's what I hoped to avoid with the DB identify).

[Akonyl]

Well, the question then is: Who should we lynch instead?

That´s what I´ve ben thinking, I didnt have any positivite results with my ability.

not quite sure I get this line of thinking, because if you believe pofa isn't BO, then that would obvioulsy make breva the liar, and a prime lynch target, and if you believe breva isn't BO, then you should obviously be lynchin pofa.

anyway, at the risk of feeling completely foolish, I might just lynch breva. Though if she is BO, it's mean xpon's hunch was right too :V

[Paix672]

Well, I was going to vote for pofa, because I doubted breva would be BO and blatantly accuse a townie. But her willingness to be Identified by the DBs gives her some sort of credibility. So I'm not sure anymore. Though, I'd like to ask if the DBs were proven by observation just to make sure they're not lying.

[Akonyl]

Well, I was going to vote for pofa, because I doubted breva would be BO and blatantly accuse a townie. But her willingness to be Identified by the DBs gives her some sort of credibility. So I'm not sure anymore. Though, I'd like to ask if the DBs were proven by observation just to make sure they're not lying.

In this situation, I'm not sure the DBs would have much reason to lie that wouldn't then become obvious:

If breva's BO, pofa's town:
If the DBs are fake, their only reason to pose as them would be to try to get pofa's identity, to poison her as breva was lynched. If this is the case, pofa can simply put the name of the "DBs" in her will today, so that if she's poisoned, the fakers will be found out. In this case, it doesn't really seem like a good idea for the DBs to be fake.

If breva's town, pofa's BO:
If the DBs are fake, then once breva's lynched, it'll be known anyway and then either PT is BO (in which case there may not be DBs at all, afaik), or she gives up their names. 2 or 3 BO identities for one townie lynching seems a bit absurd to me.

Though I could be forgetting something too, iunno. But either way, fake DBs don't stand to gain much in this case.

[PT]

@DBs being proven by observation: That I don't know. CTU may have managed to prove one of them on Night 1, but since he didn't put anything in his will about it, and nobody has stepped forward saying they were in contact with him (and I wasn't in contact with him either), nor have the supposed DBs told me they were proven, it seems unlikely. And with the only other possible observers being Jodie or Chianti, it's not impossible, but again, I have no idea. (Or there's the case of Irish or Yukiko being disguised as an observer for a phase, but again, not a definite possibility there.)

However, like Ako said, it doesn't make much of a difference at this point. If they're fake, we'll find them out pretty quickly based on today's results (hopefully), whichever way the lynch goes, and whichever one of the two turns out to be BO.

Also, there's the possibility that they're both BO, and they set up this plot to make us trust either pofa or breva (whichever doesn't get lynched, or whichever one turns out to be BO, or whatever). Not quite sure where the DBs would fit into that though (fake or otherwise), and my brain hurts too much to try and come up with possibilities.

[Akonyl]

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[Edogawa4869]

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[Abs.]

I don't understand 2 things:

1) Are we suddenly not lynching pofa anymore? 
2) Why is PT invoked in Ako-chan's post below? 

Well, I was going to vote for pofa, because I doubted breva would be BO and blatantly accuse a townie. But her willingness to be Identified by the DBs gives her some sort of credibility. So I'm not sure anymore. Though, I'd like to ask if the DBs were proven by observation just to make sure they're not lying.

In this situation, I'm not sure the DBs would have much reason to lie that wouldn't then become obvious:

If breva's BO, pofa's town:
If the DBs are fake, their only reason to pose as them would be to try to get pofa's identity, to poison her as breva was lynched. If this is the case, pofa can simply put the name of the "DBs" in her will today, so that if she's poisoned, the fakers will be found out. In this case, it doesn't really seem like a good idea for the DBs to be fake.

If breva's town, pofa's BO:
If the DBs are fake, then once breva's lynched, it'll be known anyway and then either PT is BO (in which case there may not be DBs at all, afaik), or she gives up their names. 2 or 3 BO identities for one townie lynching seems a bit absurd to me.

Though I could be forgetting something too, iunno. But either way, fake DBs don't stand to gain much in this case.

[PT]

1. Because pofa is willing to cooperate by giving the DBs her identity to check, and despite what breva said, she's been a lot less suspicious (at least imo) than breva herself.

2. Because I was the one that said that the DBs would be checking pofa.