Mafia Round 17: Intruder Alert! (Town get lucky!)

[Akonyl]

When did we start doing that anyway? And was it me who started it?

it might have been, but nobody noticed that he'd been taken out because we'd kept the same title, until I switched it over to the BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO TITLE series.

[Dus]

When did we start doing that anyway? And was it me who started it?

it might have been, but nobody noticed that he'd been taken out because we'd kept the same title, until I switched it over to the BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO TITLE series.

And later there was also the  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO & Parkur TITLE. Then we stopped, as long there wasn't a  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO &Parkur&Dus TITLE I'm unaware of.

[PT]

And later there was also the  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO & Parkur TITLE. Then we stopped, as long there wasn't a  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO &Parkur&Dus TITLE I'm unaware of.

...

Nah, kidding. It was just those two, afaik. And I'm pretty sure I was cleared of suspicion of being a lover after it was revealed that my possible lover was a DB, so I don't think I missed anything.

[Kleene Onigiri]

hai hai, xpon. I never said that you thought I made it unbalanced

FACT IS, I DID KNOW BEFOREHAND.
Since Dus was added on night 1, I already knew the lovers!

I know. But would you have made him a BO if you didn't knew the lovers already? If he weren't late and you set up the game normally?

And without dus, there would be 7BOs with 1 lover. (meaning there are actually 6 real BOs)
With considering, that the lovers were akemi+Eisuke, a VERY Powerful combo! + 3 interrogators in which 1 was already sobber, adding Dus as Gin wasn't a big deal. It actually balanced it more than giving Dus a town role.

Akemi still is a BO member. Especially in the beginning she (and secretly her lover as well) would have to work with the BO together to make sure the town does not get an early lead.
I agree the pairing is powerful (and quite interesting  ;D) - but also a huge danger to the town. So saying it is just as much a disadvantage to the town as it is to the BO.

BUT FIRST, I'd like to actually post the actions etc. But noooo~, you prefer to state something without looking at it as a whole. You just look at some certain aspects, not the whole situation that was at the beginning. Once the game starts completely, the GM can't manipulate the players much into killing certain people or not.

Sorry about that. Maybe the detailed actions will prove me wrong.
Just, when looking at the game at a whole without going into details I see the following facts: 8 BO VS 16 townies; BO wins by day 4.

Like you see, I didn't think about who to add and who not. Kogoro being sobber from beginning is rare, and makes him pretty powerful (breva actually found a lot of BOs)

One being actually a townie, sealing the game.  ::)
And that was another problem with Dus being late to the game: You couldn't make him Conan, Shinichi, Eri or Ran. If he were on time and a townie chances are Kogoro would actually have been drunk.

You also knew Gin was there from night 1, but you don't thought that info is valuable at all.

I am not sure how I should have used this information any better. I could not tell anyone else about it since it would reveal that I am Kir or Okina. I only knew that at least 2 players would be slandered each night and that interrogation results are less reliable.

As a GM , I can't predict the future. Meaning I won't know who will be active, who will reveal stuff and who the BO decides to kill etc. I can just make it balanced at the beginning. And I actually did make it balanced. Even with "8 BOs", tho it were actually 7 +1 strong traitor.

This is exactly what I am trying to figure out: Was it balanced?

I even broke some rules in favor of the town actually. So yeah..

I know about giving me the number of FBI since the Dus entered the game and you already told me there are 7 BO in the game before. And of course not editing the lovers wills during day 3. Maybe there was more I don't know about yet though.

If Dus would sign up on time, meaning I didn't knew the lovers, he'll be town then. (maybe I wouldn't have made any lovers then too? :V Tho that's hard to tell now if I made them lovers or not.)
But I didn't want to left him out, since I was late on creating the thread :V Since I went through the whole rules to edit them D:

Well, I expected Akemi to either pretend to have being tricked herself later on (which could be proven by stake-out). Or Akemi gives false info, reducing the APTX to 1-2. Then, even later in the game, she could APTX someone falsely, and leave 1 APTX.
But well :V

I'm sad too :V I wanted to write more silly phase changes T_T

Well, maybe the game wasn't totally balanced (tho town/BO lovers always makes the game somehow strange :V) but I think it was definitely not totally unbalanced.

[Dus]

And later there was also the  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO & Parkur TITLE. Then we stopped, as long there wasn't a  BAM NEW SECRET ANTI-EDO &Parkur&Dus TITLE I'm unaware of.

...

Nah, kidding. It was just those two, afaik. And I'm pretty sure I was cleared of suspicion of being a lover after it was revealed that my possible lover was a DB, so I don't think I missed anything.

Of course you didn't

And Akemi gave us false info on the third item she stole from shin but luckily shi told sherlock the correct item.

[Schillok]

@edogawa.
please read my text in white on the post that you qoute. I am just teasing you.

and if the bo willing to kill their own team just because yumi post something on night 1 in joke manner... Then the bo is stupid.

even if I put your name on my will.... There is no guarantee that I tell the truth. And dont you forget about the fact that being a 2 side lover means that you both must kill me at some point.

So we are enemies.

btw this round is on hold until kleene finish her debate with schillok

There is no debate. You can continue. These aren't the droids you are looking for.

[PT]

Of course you didn't

And Akemi gave us false info on the third item she stole from shin but luckily shi told sherlock the correct item.

Not at all reassuring. (Next time I'll just sell all of you out. )

Well, we knew (or strongly suspected) he was lying by that point anyway, so.... the false information only meant one more strike against Edo, rather than actually making us poison Shin as the wrong role.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, I think it's cleared with schillok XD It was harder for the town, tho not unbalanced (maybe a bit tipped to the BO?) Anyway, the BO/town lovers make decisions quite hard for the GM :V


Also, I have some suggestions for the rules. Gonna finally post the actions first tho :V
And I still don't agree with the APTX being changed back like it was :x

[xpon]

Well if someone said that your round is unbalanced... Then my round will be called "Trying in vain" then.

I still going to use the player divided into 4 as the basic for BO numbers.

and I am using a paper with a straw to draw it.

About aptx, I just want to gave a solid number. So anyone who want to be a sacrifice can do it.

but like I said.... I am starting to lost my expectation for this round. So if any one want to be the gm I will happy to step a side. I am afraid that I will make a mistake...... I really am. Because I intend to made this round as a silly and crazy round at first. But rigth now I am doing the best so it canbe quite fair for both side.

At some point I even thinking about giving 1 serial killer who will kill people and will win if he still alive

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well if someone said that your round is unbalanced... Then my round will be called "Trying in vain" then.

I still going to use the player divided into 4 as the basic for BO numbers.

and I am using a paper with a straw to draw it.

About aptx, I just want to gave a solid number. So anyone who want to be a sacrifice can do it.

but like I said.... I am starting to lost my expectation for this round. So if any one want to be the gm I will happy to step a side. I am afraid that I will make a mistake...... I really am. Because I intend to made this round as a silly and crazy round at first. But rigth now I am doing the best so it canbe quite fair for both side.

At some point I even thinking about giving 1 serial killer who will kill people and will win if he still alive

Don't worry. It's almost tradition to make at least one mistake when it's your first time GMing :x It's almost expected XD

[Akonyl]

Well, I expected Akemi to either pretend to have being tricked herself later on (which could be proven by stake-out). Or Akemi gives false info, reducing the APTX to 1-2. Then, even later in the game, she could APTX someone falsely, and leave 1 APTX.
But well :V

Edo actually did try to give us false info about what he'd stolen at one point, but we basically knew he was lying about that by that time so :V

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, I expected Akemi to either pretend to have being tricked herself later on (which could be proven by stake-out). Or Akemi gives false info, reducing the APTX to 1-2. Then, even later in the game, she could APTX someone falsely, and leave 1 APTX.
But well :V

Edo actually did try to give us false info about what he'd stolen at one point, but we basically knew he was lying about that by that time so :V

True. But at that time, shin_ichi was kindof almost figured out. Also, shin_ichi told what was stole from her ^^" And Edo was figured out too at that time

[Shin101]

[Vylash]

relax.. the number of BO is not Player/3 anymore.. but it more like Player/4

and the BO will get 1-3 roles that is not in the game!

Then write this in the rules/announcements. Beside, when reading the Discussion Thread for the game it sounds like you want 6 BO VS 22 townies. Even with a Player/4 ratio the BO should have at least have 7 members.

@parkur..
thanks... but will you play?

nah

[KainTheVampire]

Me! Me! Me! *waves*