Mafia - Round 9 (Town wins!)

[Abs.]

DBs can check whether or not a player=a role.

I assume Akonyl asked if James Rye=James Black and got "no." It wouldn't give him the role James Rye actually is.

Oh sorry then Akonyl, I misunderstood the ability.  Thanks pofa!

[Detective Tommy]

Hmmm, but if the clues are true.

Is Akonyl aggressive or avoid? And is Abs aggressive or avoid?
o.o

I'm trusting Akonyl for now. If he does indeed know James Rye is not James Black, then he is likely BO.
What should I investigate tonight?

[Akonyl]

So.... another round of *I´m James and you´re BO*- or what are we doing now? *completly confused*

And what does this note means!???!?

actually, I just got back, so I haven't read much of anything, but no, we're not going to have another round of that.

Because this is when my contingency plan pops up.

In case Detective Tommy was lynched and was a role other than James Black, I decided to check out if James Rye was James Black, so that if he was I could have a guaranteed trusty partner. Unfortunately, or fortunately (if you see it that way), he seems to be a BO instead.

James Rye is, in fact, not James Black. I stake my elementary school education on it.

Now, of course the BO could kill me now, or they could poison me, but that would only further my point, wouldn't it?

1) So you checked to see if he was BO. But you say he "seems" like it rather than he "is" which sounds like you aren't sure.
2) APTX can only be used during the day.
3) The BO will kill me, I'm going to investigate them.

I say "seems" because I don't know for a fact that he's a BO. What I know for a fact is that he's not James Black. This means he's probably a BO.

or he could be another role and just got cough up in a bad lie...he one of them could be KID and the other one is Vermouth

Then he's dug his own grave. Really, there's no reason to lie and claim you're James Rye to protect yourself. If you're Yumi and you call yourself Shiratori, that's one thing. But to claim to be a role with a completely different ability is 99% something only a BO would do. It's not advantageous to the town for me to say in the thread "I'll heal you, Ctu!" if I can't really heal you because then you'll get shot in the face and everyone will instantly look at me.

Also, regarding the lynch votes:


Det. Tommy: Akonyl, James Rye, conia, sebolians
James Rye: Detective Tommy, pofa, abs, ctu
abstaining: xpon, laurell, kain, holmes, elika

Day 1:

Beastly: Akonyl, Commi-Ninja, Laurell, Abs, Ctu, KainTheVampire, Beastly
Xpon: James Rye
Abs: DetTommy, pofa, conia, Sebolians
Holmes: Beastly

interestingly, the only person who voted for both Beastly (a townie) and NOT for James Rye (a not townie) is me. I find this peculiar, because during both of these lynchings I didn't think that it was enough of a landslide for the BO to risk voting on one of their own. Hm.

also, I'd just like to say I find sebolians suspicious for no reason in particular.

[Conia]

Okey, let's put some cards over the table:
I'm gonna post the 2 dreams that were given on Night 1 and 2.

Dream 1:
Sebolains(Shinichi) --> False
Abs.(Vodka) -->
Ctu(Chiba) -->
Holmes(Vermouth) -->
pofa(Sherry) --> False


Dream 2:
James Rye(Akai) -->
pofa(Anokata) -->
KID(Commi-Ninja) -->
Ctu(Satou) -->
KainTheVampire(Heiji) -->

I don't even have to say that both dreams didn't came to me.

[Akonyl]

I'm trusting Akonyl for now. If he does indeed know James Rye is not James Black, then he is likely BO.
What should I investigate tonight?

I'm askin Kleene a rulings question about this, then maybe I'll get back to you.

Okey, let's put some cards over the table:
I'm gonna post the 2 dreams that were given on Night 1 and 2.

Dream 1:
Sebolains(Shinichi) --> False
Abs.(Vodka) -->
Ctu(Chiba) -->
Holmes(Vermouth) -->
pofa(Sherry) --> False


Dream 2:
James Rye(Akai) -->
pofa(Anokata) -->
KID(Commi-Ninja) -->
Ctu(Satou) -->
KainTheVampire(Heiji) -->

I don't even have to say that both dreams didn't came to me.

that's a pretty silly thing to just post in the thread outright.

[Holmes]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

[Conia]

Kill me on Night 3, and everyone will know I'm a town. If I'm not dead by Day 3, then I'll be your prime suspect for lynching.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Some info on stealing. Since Laurell died and you all know he was a townie.

In case someone investigates "Kleene Onigiri stole an item from Laurell" and get a positive, then it will be true. But you won't know if it was KID or Akemi. But in case Akemi (Schillok) dies, and that investigation was public or a police made the investigation, then KID will be arrested by default.

Since there were 2 people who stole from one person, then both "succeeded" but there was just 1 book to steal from. (in case KID who has a schoolbook disguises as a role with a school book (ran) then he has 2x school book)
So it's not said who exactly was successfully in stealing the book (since that's not important. Because both got the same notice that there was a school book stolen and that someone else also tried to steal the same item)
This wasn't described in the rules because I didn't think about the possibility that the same person get's an item stolen from both roles in the same night (KID and Akemi) XD
And if you reread the rules, an item can be just stolen once. So in case Ran got stolen a book and her panties. And if she get's stolen again (on night 3), then that person get's nothing, since there is nothing left to steal. (even if the panties were stolen by KID on night 1 and Akemi got the book on night 2)

So yes, both roles stole an item from the same person. Then both investigations would be true, since they still stole (or tried to steal) something. Since if you get tricked/intimidated, you don't get results, but if someone investigated you it will still come out as true (even tho it was tricked/intimidated)

Hope that clears things up.

[Detective Tommy]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

Okey, let's put some cards over the table:
I'm gonna post the 2 dreams that were given on Night 1 and 2.

Dream 1:
Sebolains(Shinichi) --> False
Abs.(Vodka) -->
Ctu(Chiba) -->
Holmes(Vermouth) -->
pofa(Sherry) --> False


Dream 2:
James Rye(Akai) -->
pofa(Anokata) -->
KID(Commi-Ninja) -->
Ctu(Satou) -->
KainTheVampire(Heiji) -->

I don't even have to say that both dreams didn't came to me.

Without knowing who told you the dreams, I think it's going to be hard to get people to believe them.

[Akonyl]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

the only thing that throws a wrench into that is it was pointed out that he could always be KID James Black, which would be an issue (and may actually explain the lack of anyone dying via poison).

I still don't think that's the case though, but we have to proceed from here very carefully, as we don't have much time left. So right now I'm trying to think how this all could be resolved 100% tonight, but there's some wrenches being thrown into the plan, namely Akemi and Vermouth.

(If anyone would like to claim KID, feel free to PM me as I'm not a policeman and it won't get you arrested).

[Detective Tommy]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

the only thing that throws a wrench into that is it was pointed out that he could always be KID James Black, which would be an issue (and may actually explain the lack of anyone dying via poison).

I still don't think that's the case though, but we have to proceed from here very carefully, as we don't have much time left. So right now I'm trying to think how this all could be resolved 100% tonight, but there's some wrenches being thrown into the plan, namely Akemi and Vermouth.

(If anyone would like to claim KID, feel free to PM me as I'm not a policeman and it won't get you arrested).

No, because if he was Kid --> James Black.
Then I wouldn't be able to get the role...

And the BO probably didn't poison me because they thought they could lynch me. But it failed.

[Akonyl]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

the only thing that throws a wrench into that is it was pointed out that he could always be KID James Black, which would be an issue (and may actually explain the lack of anyone dying via poison).

I still don't think that's the case though, but we have to proceed from here very carefully, as we don't have much time left. So right now I'm trying to think how this all could be resolved 100% tonight, but there's some wrenches being thrown into the plan, namely Akemi and Vermouth.

(If anyone would like to claim KID, feel free to PM me as I'm not a policeman and it won't get you arrested).

No, because if he was Kid --> James Black.
Then I wouldn't be able to get the role...

And the BO probably didn't poison me because they thought they could lynch me. But it failed.

unless you're vermouth as james black, the double disguise has happened before, after all.

you could also just not be james black at all, though signs point to it.

either way, unless I get more info I'll probably go with lynching James Rye tomorrow anyway, as at the moment it's the safest bet to me. But I'd still rather be able to think of some plan to make it concrete.

(By the way, I think it's funny that vermouth is better at blending into the town than anokata, aside from his protectio nagainst a single role )

[Abs.]

Since if you get tricked/intimidated, you don't get results, but if someone investigated you it will still come out as true (even tho it was tricked/intimidated)

Wait Kleene, what?  

So if Laurell investigated if Schillok killed Beastly.
Kleene tricked Laurell.
nomemory investigated if Laurell investigated Schillok.
nomemory --> Laurell investigated Schillok (true)

I was under the impression that it would be false.

[CTU]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

the only thing that throws a wrench into that is it was pointed out that he could always be KID James Black, which would be an issue (and may actually explain the lack of anyone dying via poison).

I still don't think that's the case though, but we have to proceed from here very carefully, as we don't have much time left. So right now I'm trying to think how this all could be resolved 100% tonight, but there's some wrenches being thrown into the plan, namely Akemi and Vermouth.

(If anyone would like to claim KID, feel free to PM me as I'm not a policeman and it won't get you arrested).

No, because if he was Kid --> James Black.
Then I wouldn't be able to get the role...

And the BO probably didn't poison me because they thought they could lynch me. But it failed.

unless you're vermouth as james black, the double disguise has happened before, after all.

you could also just not be james black at all, though signs point to it.

either way, unless I get more info I'll probably go with lynching James Rye tomorrow anyway, as at the moment it's the safest bet to me. But I'd still rather be able to think of some plan to make it concrete.

(By the way, I think it's funny that vermouth is better at blending into the town than anokata, aside from his protectio nagainst a single role )

I was thinking that myself AFAIK DT would still have Jack Blacks abilities if he was Vermouth

[Detective Tommy]

So ... the "Who is James Black" debate will keep going until next phase.

conia, Beastly was lynched because he did the same thing you have just done, just saying.

Well Akonyl said he knows that James Rye lied about being James Black.
So I think the debates over?

the only thing that throws a wrench into that is it was pointed out that he could always be KID James Black, which would be an issue (and may actually explain the lack of anyone dying via poison).

I still don't think that's the case though, but we have to proceed from here very carefully, as we don't have much time left. So right now I'm trying to think how this all could be resolved 100% tonight, but there's some wrenches being thrown into the plan, namely Akemi and Vermouth.

(If anyone would like to claim KID, feel free to PM me as I'm not a policeman and it won't get you arrested).

No, because if he was Kid --> James Black.
Then I wouldn't be able to get the role...

And the BO probably didn't poison me because they thought they could lynch me. But it failed.

unless you're vermouth as james black, the double disguise has happened before, after all.

you could also just not be james black at all, though signs point to it.

either way, unless I get more info I'll probably go with lynching James Rye tomorrow anyway, as at the moment it's the safest bet to me. But I'd still rather be able to think of some plan to make it concrete.

(By the way, I think it's funny that vermouth is better at blending into the town than anokata, aside from his protectio nagainst a single role )

I was thinking that myself AFAIK DT would still have Jack Blacks abilities if he was Vermouth

But nobody can investigate me except DB, and they have day action.


Okay, you guys can discuss whether this is a dumb reasoning.

James Rye said he was James Black.
But Akonyl just figured out he is indeed not James Black.
But why did he lie? If he is BO,

But if I'm Vermouth, why would we have argued so much? It'd be BO vs BO.


If I don't die this night, then I hope you guys will lynch James Rye before me.