Mafia - Round 9 (Town wins!)

[Abs.]

Yeah, well what I don't like is how I'm being dragged into this, when I still have no clue who to lynch.  This nonsense goes on, I'm abstaining.

[Detective Tommy]

I didn't know what else to investigate.
So I checked it, because maybe you could investigator...

Even so, that's nothing to attack him over.  A joke's a joke...

I didn't even attack him. I was stating a fact that I based my n

I didn't know what else to investigate.
So I checked it, because maybe you could investigator...

Even so, that's nothing to attack him over.  A joke's a joke...

I didn't attack him. I was stating a fact that I based my first night action from what he said . And they started accusing me of BO and crap

[Akonyl]

@Akonyl CLARIFICATION: I was referring to Detective Tommy's claim "he said he was going to."  

I never said such a thing to Detective Tommy.

I knew I should have bolded that part when I quoted it.  

fair enough.

Well, the fact that you (conia) readily admitted that you didn't investigate JR on Night 1 after faced with Tommy's results actually points to your innocence more than your guilt--If you and JR were in league, I would have expected you to accuse Tommy of lying to protect him.

Maybe conia's town, but wrong about JR?  :P

either way, we'll find out who the real JB is after today

And now Abs has committed himself to the cause against DT. So, if Detective Tommy *is* james black, then Abs is a BO (as he's claiming it was a blatant lie), and James Rye is a BO as well (as he's claiming James Black), and conia is suspcious as well then, with his protecting of Black.

so basically, if we kill tommy and he's a BO, we're in good shape. If we kill tommy and he isn't, then we have a lot of high suspects on our hands. So to me it looks like we should still lynch tommy unless someone else has a stronger opinion.

Not that it much matters right now, but wouldn't lynching James Rye have a similar effect?  If he really was James Black, then Detective Tommy would be lying, and we'd have a good BO suspect.  If he was a BO, we'd have one less of those to deal with.  The only difference between lynching the two of them really would be having Abs. and conia as suspects as well, I think.  Unless I've missed something.

it's true that they're both pretty much the same. Basically, James Black is dying today and there's not much we can do about it. Pick your poison, I suppose (no pun intended until I realized it just now). And who knows, looking at how Tommy acted last round as Sonoko, he may be James Black after all, who knows. As it is now though I'd rather believe that Rye is Black rather than tommy.

and now I'm sleeping, so don't expect a reply for the next seven hours.

[Commi-Ninja]

Detective Tommy, I think that all you've succeeded in doing by trying to defend yourself was dig yourself in deeper.  You're now the prime suspect, and are likely going to die either way.

All I'm hoping for at this point is that his death will give us a solid lead on some BO members...

[Sebolains]

Detective Tommy, I think that all you've succeeded in doing by trying to defend yourself was dig yourself in deeper.  You're now the prime suspect, and are likely going to die either way.

All I'm hoping for at this point is that his death will give us a solid lead on some BO members...

Same here. I'm hoping to find something going over the people that have protected him in the past. I'll see what I can find.

[Abs.]

Guys I don't want to start up the "who to lynch" debate again but I think everyone missed this:

I don't know if it's important to share but I received a message that two different people tried to steal the same item on me but only one succeeded. May I ask what does this stealing have to do in this game?

... someone killed my dear sister! darn it! i'm begining to think that BO doesn't like my family!

It's kind of ridiculous, I know, but is KainTheVampire basically admitting to be Akemi?  "My dear sister" refers to Sherry, right?

Not saying we should lynch her instead (that probably won't work at this rate  ) but is anyone else as confused as I am by this apparent admission?  Akemi is B.O. the last time I checked. 

And there's a Kid running around somewhere...

[nomemory]

Guys I don't want to start up the "who to lynch" debate again but I think everyone missed this:

I don't know if it's important to share but I received a message that two different people tried to steal the same item on me but only one succeeded. May I ask what does this stealing have to do in this game?

... someone killed my dear sister! darn it! i'm begining to think that BO doesn't like my family!

It's kind of ridiculous, I know, but is KainTheVampire basically admitting to be Akemi?  "My dear sister" refers to Sherry, right?

Not saying we should lynch her instead (that probably won't work at this rate  ) but is anyone else as confused as I am by this apparent admission?  Akemi is B.O. the last time I checked.   :-\

And there's a Kid running around somewhere...

I think I can say this much as a ghost. Kain is my sister for real so that might be what she is refering to, of course she could mean something else as well, I don't know. But I thought you should know that at least.

[Kleene Onigiri]

This is interesting *eats pancake*


Will be gone to uni. So I can't answer PMs for the next 8 hours or so.

[CTU]

As for the lynch vote I think I might go along with Detective Tommy on this one as he has a strong reason for his suspicion...although if he is right then we might have to go after conia next as long as the 2 were not lovers and both dead, but I will wait to vote to see if anything changes

This is interesting *eats pancake*


Will be gone to uni. So I can't answer PMs for the next 8 hours or so.

Now I want some pancakes :yummy:

[Detective Tommy]

Okay... If you guys lynch James Rye and is BO, then Conia is BO most likely too.
And this MIGHT prove Abs is innocent. Because Conia accused Abs.

And Pofa is still questionable. Don't know if I shouldve trusted him with so much info.

Also, there are 2 options.
Kill me and find out my role. Then go after James Rye and Conia tomorrow.
Let me die by Atpx and lynch James Ryr.


I'm sticking with my vote of James Rye.
Also most of the people that vote for me are likely BO
and trying to save their partners.

Hopefully my death will help you guys.

[KainTheVampire]

Guys I don't want to start up the "who to lynch" debate again but I think everyone missed this:

I don't know if it's important to share but I received a message that two different people tried to steal the same item on me but only one succeeded. May I ask what does this stealing have to do in this game?

... someone killed my dear sister! darn it! i'm begining to think that BO doesn't like my family!

It's kind of ridiculous, I know, but is KainTheVampire basically admitting to be Akemi?  "My dear sister" refers to Sherry, right?

Not saying we should lynch her instead (that probably won't work at this rate  ) but is anyone else as confused as I am by this apparent admission?  Akemi is B.O. the last time I checked. 

And there's a Kid running around somewhere...

I think I can say this much as a ghost. Kain is my sister for real so that might be what she is refering to, of course she could mean something else as well, I don't know. But I thought you should know that at least.

she's my sister for real and that's what i reffered to o.O

[James Rye]

Okay, sorry for being off so long. I´m shocked to see that i have a "twin" in the game and that some people wants to lynch me.

Here´s my dectuction why i´m James Black and Tommy is lying: Part 1:

I could tell you the same as Tommy did *blabla lynch him, i´m the real one, look i write my name down in the forum, believe me, blabla* but come on:

Can anyone of you definitively confirm that one of us says the truth being James Black?

How will you check upon our speciale invest? They will be shown as Investigations and nothing else. I asked Kleene to confirm that.

Whatever here starts my reasoning why i´m James Black and Tommy is not:

Spoiler:

Don't lynch Abs. Lynch Conia.

He was the first to say let´s lynch Conia and to defend Abs. even though he was the one with the second highest amount of votes. It´s pretty clear that we all should now vote on Abs. to confirm our suspicion on him, but Conia starts with no reason to explain that we shouldn´t kill Abs. and should kill Conia after he saved me before the first lnyching (again thanks Conia ).
So guess now: If Abs. is really Bo what would the BO do to save one of their own? Right. They would let show up someone who claims to be a townie and to know who´s the *real* BO. As we see in this example.^^

Spoiler:

Conia knows my role, so I'll probably die anyways.
But he told me something he investigated, but I investigated his action... and he lied.

I also told him something about a different character.
And that person's action was intimidated. Coincidence?

He knows mine too, so what? He´s no BO, so neither you nor i will die anyway, the only way to die is by lnyching or APTX, and the latter will probably happen anyway cause you got my role. I dunno what he told you to invest, that is if he really did so, but what else could he have said to save my ass before the lnyching mob?

Well, first it could be coincidence. Second, what if you´re BO and one of your "friends" intimated that person to give you a believeable argument when you start accusing Conia to be BO?

Spoiler:

You guys, I have some new information.

Conia told me about one of his investigations. I investigated that and it came back as false.
Investigation can't be slandered, so it isn't wrong.

(Also, I started talking to Conia Day 1.. and asked about his role, etc. I gave him my role, and all my actions. But he didn't give me anything and hardly PM'ed me... )

Another thing.. Conia protected James Rye on Night 1. Which mean they're both likely BO.
Also, I told Conia about someone else's action but it got intimidated. (Unless my alliance lied...)


But the Apple from Video Tape 1 and the water from Video Tape 2 - Both hind that Vodka is in the game.
So I believe somebody was intimidated...
I still think Gin and Bourbon are in the game too.

First, i noticed that you edit a lot of your messages. Could it be that you paniced and write some meassages too fast without consulting your "friends" first? And then they told you to change some things to appear more reasonable?

Sure Slander cannot be used against investigation, but trick adn intimate can do so. Also there´s the possibility that Conia investigated on some one else so of cource you would get a false response. Just cause you get a false response as you asserts, doesn´t mean that Conia is BO.

Or we both townies and Conia just saved my ass to not be murdered, but considering who died (Beastly aka Shinichi) maybe it would have been better for me to bite the dust, but we tried to either blame Abs. or xpon. I vote for xpon cause till then i wasn´t sure about Conia being really a townie till the day 1 results, after that i could start to trust him completly.
I told him my role, but he knew it anyway since night 1 cause i made some stupid mistakes in my first post and Conia had the right guess who i could be. If someone wants to see that message they have to ask Conia for it to send them, so that you can confirm that info.

Spoiler:

But if Pofa is lying about sending you a PM, he might be lying to me..........

So now pofa is a BO too, cause she may lied about the pm?
Even townies lies to each other cause they can be sure if the otehr is really a townie or not.

Spoiler:

Okay, if you are TOWN and got a dream.
Post it right now. If you a new, you can post the name of the player and his/her role.

But don't copy+paste it.
It would help a lot, thanks.


So right now.. Conia and James Rye are most likely BO.
He lied about his actions. So I'm lynching Conia.

And if he IS BO, then James Rye is BO too.

And you guys have to continue the fight, I'm dead.

Well i know who had a dream and i got told about it though that person ahs yet to tell me why he didn´t posted it on the forum. I will ask again. So if that person post that dream => he´s no BO in your reasoning if i´m correct? 8)
Or we both townies and you want to get one of us lnyched and since you know my role already it makes sense to want to lynch Conia who´s role you doesn´t know yet.

So if you´re BO, you will get two townies killed tonight. How does that sounds to you?

Spoiler:

Let's review. Conia and Pofa know my role.

Conia told me his investigation, which I checked and came back as false.
Meaning he lied.

Since he knew my role, and he lied. I'll most likely die from APTX.
So I say we vote Conia, he's our highest suspect...

And if he is BO, then James Rye is BO too. Because:

Listen to me people: I'm a detective, which means I can investigate, and I used my investigations to prove James Rye and he is indeed a townie (Of course, I won't reveal my results).
And not only that, James Rye started to move us, the town, which his reasoning. He's a newbie here, and we all know what happens to the guy that tries to get something on Day 1: The BO blames him/her of being suspicious and finally gets lynched. So, let's stop this: Abs. reacted to James Rye reasoning and tried to put suspicion on him. As I've said earlier, James Rye is innocent. Remember last Round: xpon had Det.Tommy who proved his innocence, yet nobody believed him and got lynched. We can't let that happen again!

So, we have to lynch Abs.!

Also, since he accused Abs, Abs might be non-BO.

So waht? They known my too. The real prob if that you and i both claim to have the same role which is why the majority of us, the townies, won´t follow your reasoning to kill Conia but wants to confirm who of us is James Black now since we gonna die today anyway either get lnyhced or get APTX.
Just cause someone lie to you, a probably BO, doesn´t make him BO too.

So if Conia is townie then i´m townie as well right? Hey guys let´s kill Conia to confirm who of the two said the truth!/joke

So Abs. is not BO cause Conia said to lnych him? Then why doesn´t the same count for me and Conia as well when you start to tell everyone to lnych Conia or me?

I still believe to 95% that Abs. is BO and considering the last votes we´re not the only ones. 8)
To lynch you and make sure you´re Bo would automatically make Abs. BO too. If you´re townie then the possibility of Abs. being a townie too is high.

Also don´t forget who voted last round for Beastly to die: Abs. while you voted for Abs. to be the killer. And now you defend him? Sounds to me like you´re BO who wanted to sneak in the other group who believed that Abs. is BO and who make contact with them to change their mind to save Abs.. You needed a role for that so that they believe you, so you either are Vermouth in disguise of James Black or a BO using blacksuit case to fake James fake investigation. Yeah, i can read and understand the rules. Surprise.
Also i noticed you never write anything about Vermouth being in the game as well, though we got some hints like the apple which i told you it could be Vermouth as well where as reaction you played the surprised one *oh yeah, right, that can be too.* or the silver necklace last time which you totally ignored but can be a hint to Vermouth and her extra-vagant lifestyle.

Spoiler:

In real Mafia, if a Mafia member is inactive for period of time, he is presumed missing.
Want to do this instead?

I don't think it's fair that someone get's his vote+action.
And he is BO too most likely.

So my theory: Conia, James Rye and xPon is BO..
I hope people trust me,

So if xpon is BO most likely like i believed last day why didn´t you vote with me to lnych him? Also why do you change your mind over Abs. after voting for him to die?

Theory is just theory.
How about my theory?
You and Abs. are BO and are trying to save Abs. to eb the next one lnyched therefor you says to others to be James cause it´s the easiest role to fake. But then pofa tells you that i told him too that i`m James Black. You start paniced and throw accusations first at conia, but the townies aren´t dumb and want to keep that between you and me especially since you wrote my role out in the forum so that everybody knows it now. You wanted to get two townies by lynching conia and poisoning me, but right now the majority decides to either vote for you or me to see who´s lying.
Your "friends" probably told you to make sure that i gets killed so that you can use your whatever night action or something like that after they noticed that your plan to lnych Conia fails.

And how does my theory sounds? 8)

Spoiler:

Tommy has misunderstood BO rules too in his PMs to me.  :P This morning he said I could have "slandered" his investigation on conia last night and made it come out "false," since I knew he was going to investigate. (Sorry Tommy. Trying to help. ^^)

But yes, he wants my role too. He's not the only one who wants it, but he's asked the most times. But I do know his (claimed) role (it was sort of an accident that I found out) so he may just be asking me to be "fair" and tell him mine. (My actions got thwarted...how can I trust anyone now??)

Meh, i´m new and i didn´t misunderstood most rules and it´s his second game so that excuse *i didn´t know* doesn´t work for. I´m a noob i must know that.

So yeah, a BO would definitively try to get as much role names as possible of the townies especially if he disguise himself as a townie which makes him alot more safe then only using a blacksuit case.
Ah yeah pofa, how times did i ask you for your role?
Well, fairness is important and such but to know that the other one is a townie is enough as i did with Conia. He knows my role why i have no clue which role he really is. I know what he can do and he proved himself to me which made me gain an ally. That´s why i also believ that pofa is a townie especially after Conia told me so to send him a answer in which i will reveals my role to him to earn his trust and after you telling others that he lies about pms and his actions which will made him suspicious in the eyes of the other townies.

Spoiler:

1) I only PM'ed you and Pofa to alliance. Two isn't a whole bunch of people.
2) The person that PM'ed you saying he has my role (Yes Pofa told me who) is lying. It's impossible. This mean James Rye is lying, so he's BO. Why did you trust him so easily?
3) Give me an example of something that I asked that was SO simple... I only ask about the hints, and some things I don't know of. (Didn't know how tapes, slander, APTX work. So I asked.)
4) I told you my role, and you never did tell me yours. All you said is you can investigate. I insisted because I needed an alliance, so I can tell my role. I took a risk and told you.


Another thing. According to Pofa, you said you didn't have to investigate James Rye because you knew he is TOWN.
Meaning you might be lovers or best friends.

But James Rye claimed to be MY ROLE. And if he is your best friend/lover then you should know he was lying.

2 IS a bunch of people. I didn´t wrote ANYONE a pm at first night cuase of cource i had no idea if one investigation is enough to confirm if that person is a townie or not. And next day i had to witness that i should get lnyched cause i tried to get some info out of the tape. Then Conia saved me and send me a pm, of cource i didn´t trust him (i thought he was Gin) but he got my role out at my first pm so my life was already ended anyway if he would have been BO.
Yet i didn´t died at APTX and his action showed me that he is indeed a townie which made me trust him to tell him my name, but you all know that already.^g^

Spoiler:

I want to make it clear that conia never claimed to me that he and James Rye were lovers or best friends...He didn't even say he knew JR's role for sure. Just that he deduced JR was town from Night 1. Evidently he did not do this by investigation like he told everyone, but maybe something else went on. He sounded very sure about it that first time he brought it up.

Or he's BO and lying.  :P

And yes, both Tommy and James Rye have claimed to me to be the same role. Tommy has revealed the results of his supposed abilities to me, but JR hasn't. And of course, I have no idea who actually did what last night.

Well, none of us are lovers or friends thought that would be in favor for the BO´s plan to kill us both. if one of us dies the other has to bite the dust as well.
I asked Conia too how he can be sure that i´m no BO when he didn´t really investigte me as he told the forum and also me in the pm. If Conia wants he can show everyone his investigations at the forum but that´s for him to decide.
Anyway he told me that he believes me cause i stepped into the trap of the BO and almost got in the eye of everyone as to be a BO cause i took the tape too seriously. Guess i can tell that much to everyone.^^

Or he´s townie and says the truth.

Remember how i told you my role? If so look at it again (you know what i mean) and then ask yourself who of us sounds more like the real James Black.
If you want my results i will either post them here and send you per pm.

Spoiler:

How did you deduce he was Townie?
and he claimed to be my role... explain THAT.

Why would he tell Pofa that he is (my role)?



I still find it suspicious. I told you Pofa's night action.
And he got intimidated. I don't believe it is a coincidence.


Also, you didn't answer my comeback points from the other post.

I already explained that above and so did Conia in some post.
Yeah, i can. The answer is that YOU claim to be MY role.

Cause it´s the truth and you made a fault by chosing James Black?

Well, pofa could have been lieing to you about his night action and did something else which got intimated. Again, you will get a false response in either case, but since you´re BO you knew that pofa got intimated and could say that there was a false response when you checked upon him.

Spoiler:

It doesn't matter, it didn't help.

Okay Conia, if you are telling the truth.
What made you believe James Rye withOUT investigating him?
Unless you're lovers or best friends.

But if you were lovers or best friends, you would know he doesn't have my role.
So when I PM'ed you my role.. you should have figured he was lying.


UNLESS James Rye told you (Conia) and Pofa two different stories.
Which makes him suspicious.

We´re not lovers or best friends. If so i wouldn´t have talked that much about the tape to begin with cause Conia would have explained to me that the BO would use that to mark me as BO. So he had to step up and lie to protect em before the lynching mob.

Well, no. Actually he figured that you´re lying about your role.

Nope. i told both the same story if you´re talking about my role.

Spoiler:

Okay, EVERYONE. I REALLY DON'T CARE AT THIS POINT. HE MADE IT OBVIOUS THAT I'M JAMES BLACK.
"You're right, 2 isn't a bunch of people, but even a simple as 2 surpassed the quantity on investigation you can make according to your claimed role, which is obvoiusly false"

AND MY ROLE IS NOT A FALSE. You have absolutely NO reason to trust James Rye over me.
James Rye told Pofa that he was James Black. Which is obviously a lie.
And he either told Conia a different story, or Conia believes James Rye is James Black over me.

1) No.. I looked for people that I thought were actually TOWN. I trusted you first, because you investigated James Rye and said he was Town. Lying about that is risky, so I believed it. I also trusted Pofa.
2) Basically you are calling me the liar. "The player that told me YOUR role is lying, because YOU told me your role" Well I'm James Black and James Rye is lying.
4) Because, Investigation means nothing. Can Gin not investigate?


So you guys can follow me, James Black and vote Conia and then vote James Rye.
Or you can wait for me and another town to die. And then during the night. = 3 Towns.



Also, I think xpon is BO. He is on the team with a disadvantage.
(BO having an inactive team would be bad compared to us who have like.. 8 or 9)
But maybe the GM knows something we don't and xpon might be a town..

No, it seems to me that you now know for sure that i´m James Black cause Conia used that argument which made you leave the desperate option to mark yourself as the only and right James Black leaving me with the role of the liar.
And thanks for telling everyone that i gonna die today so or so.

Now they can believe me that i´m the real James cause no real townie would write his name in the forum especially if he already knows that Conia could be BO and that the rest of the BO will use that outburst against the yeller to mark him as BO. Expect the yeller is BO, made a fault with telling two townies that he´s James while both knew the real one and now tries to get at least one down without using APTX sine no one follows your lead with lynching Conia.Which also means all you´re *there´s a Bourbon in for sure* is just a camounflage to let others think that with Bourbon the BO would never ever amde that fault with letting you be James, expect of cource you´re Vermouth in disguise. So i can detect that there´s no Bourbon actually in the game and that the hint was probably false. 8)

It´s as Conia said with the 2 people. That´s why i didn´t write anybody a pm, expect pofa but that too was only a response to his pm.^^
I cannot be sure about anyone being townie or Bo cause i can only investigate once, which is sadly, but with the help of conia i gained a veteran ally and pofa also seems to be trusty-worthy to be an ally too. But that´s somethign you know already, right? Cause you´re Bo adn knows who´s townie and who isn´t.

1) I didn´t wrote anybody, i was waiting for the right time to find someone who i can possible trustat night 2 or 3. But without Conias´help i wouldn´t ahve made it even through day 1.
2)Well, he´s right isn´t he? Starting to panic cause your accusing isn´t working, Vermouth?
4)Vermouth can investigate too when she´s James in disguise or one of the police/detectives. Also there´s still the balcksuit case. So Gin isn´t the only option.
Your theory has alot of holes, tommy. 8)

So we have to vote Conia first and when he´s townie we still have to vote for me? Okay, let´s try that out, everyone!/joke
Why should we follow anyone who just announced that he´s James? You could and are Bo for all we possible know!
Or we get a BO at day 2 and all of us are happy. What do you think about this decision, "Black" Tommy?

May i remind you that i was the only one who voted for xpon to be lynched? -.-;
Why should i vote for my "friend" if i´m BO? Didn´t you also said that Beastly is suspicious while i was quiet about it cause i was unsure and decided to be safe with xpon who´s "turteling" (new word i made up XD) but then you voted for Abs. who you defend now?

And in case you doesn´t know yet... The GM knows EVERYTHING. That´s why the GM is the GM. He/she is god!^g^

Spoiler:

well then, if you're claiming james black, I see no reason not to lynch you because if you're telling the truth, you'll die anyway.

Okay, then let's not let a BO die this round.
Let's just waste another round, while the BO kill another tonight.
And we'll lose.

I told my role because I thought you guys would trust me and vote out Conia.
But whatever, I signed my death warrant.


I would not be shocked, if I found out you are BO later on.

You know that we can still arrest you in night 3 in case we don´t vote for you to be lnyched, right?
We won´t lose like Akonyl already explained so: 3 are dead = 14 are in the game. We gonna kill one tonight and another one will probabyl (=100%, now guess who i mean ) die by poison. So if that´s happen (and it will since the Bo knows my name) we´re 12.
12 -5 = 7. That means the BO still have to kill two people to win giving us another day to lynch one of them (you, Tommy when i get´s lynched! ) which will make them to kill three people to win giving us about one or two more days to find another one.

Why should we vote for Conia to belynched just cause you write in the forum taht you´re James and thinks Conia is a liar? He could have said the truth for all we know and you´re the liar.
But whatever, let´s kill Conia and see who was right! Come one everybody, let´s kill Conia!/joke
And yeah, you did. Sooner or later you will die, "Black Tommy", either this or the next day or gets arrested at night.

Okay, now don´t get that dramatic.
First Conia, then me then Pofa then xpon and then Akonly? XDDD
Did you found out the whole BO group in just two speciale investigation like you claim?
Sorry, but that sounds unbelieveable for me.
Kicking around, accusing everyone being BO cause of no reason while being on a suicide mission to get as many townies down with you - THAT`S sounds way more believeable, "Black Tommy". 8)

Spoiler:

Fine, let's all vote James Rye. He said he was James Black and lied. Most likely a BO.
If I don't get APTX it's obvious I'm BO.

So don't waste your vote, because you need to kill a BO member.
But it's your choice.

I'm going to vote for James Rye. You should all follow, or else BO will win.
If James Rye turns out to be BO, then Conia will be too...

Surpise everybody! Now not Conia should die after no one took that bait, but me!
Let´s all lnych me! YAY!/joke
How about this, Tommy? You said you´re Black and you lied. I think you´re most likely a BO.
Same goes for me, Tommy. So why should they vote for me to be lynched and not you, huh? They will know any way.

Don´t worry, Tommy. We will get our Bo definitively and that´s you! 8)
Right it is, so stop accusing 5 people to be BO without any real prove and admitt that you´re BO. That will make it easier for us to decide then your amok run.

Oh, you now you will vote for Conia instead of me?
Should i be surprised?
I bet your "friends" and your boss told you to change your strategie after no one expect you wanted to kill Conia. So now you try to kill me and to survive the 3 night to give your "friends" like Abs. who should have been the next victim according last vote round, another breath pause so that we all will have to vote for you at day 3 and lose an important day.
And if i´m townie then Conia is townie as well? Or should we still believe you and kill Conia cause you said so?
And if we all vote for Conia and he´s townie then am i townie as well or should we still follow you and kill me too at day 3?

And if we all vote for you and you´re townie then are Conia and i BO? Or are we Townies who got a BO with a laid out trap saying we have James Black in our ranks and the BO fell for it cause they didn´t had a Bourbon to confirm that and tried to made the townies kill the other James Black, while there´s no James Black in the game to begin with? 8)
Think about it, "Black Tommy". And does the last statement give you a spark?

Spoiler:

How do you see people's action when they're online?
Where do you look o.o

Ahhh, can't wait for Day1 or Night 1.
Whichever we start on!

So is Haibara/Ayumi's panties really in the game?
What do they do? o.o

Kleene, can you verify some things?

- Do dreams get sent out every night? If so, do you create them?
- Does BO help make the tape? Like... does the GM make the tape or BO does?

Is this enough?

And why do keep saying James Rye lied? I told you James Rye told me his role before you, that's why I trust him and I think you are BO.

1) I never saw it before, so I was asking.
2) This is my second time playing. I didn't realize we ALWAYS start on Night 1.
3) I didn't know about the stealing items.
4) I was wondering if the tape we got was reliable. If BO made the whole tape, then it'd be useless.

Neither of these really make me look like BO. This is my SECOND time playing, so I would have questions on these.
The panties and tape weren't used in the game I played. (1 and 4 possibly makes me look suspicious.)



Because I'm James Black.
WHY ELSE WOULD I KEEP SAYING HE LIED? BECAUSE I'M JAMES AND HE LOOKS SUSPICIOUS.

Okay, so next time we play.. I'll tell you I'm Sherry. For no apparent reason.
And since I said it first, you'll probably trust me.

-Edit-
You guys should vote for James Rye, he keeps saying he's my role.
You guys should trust me,

And that´s not even the biggest one. I gonna show you the 100% prove WHY I am James Black while Tommy is lieing through his teeth at the end of this post! Hope you will stay with me till that.

Right so! Tell him, Conia!! Made that BO eat his own words!!!

1)Well, i believe that i also didn´t know that till i got told by Kleene.
2) Oh come on, even i noticed that every round start with a murder aka first night. And it´s my first time.
3)Read the rules. I did so and i´m a noob while this is your second time. Doesn´t sounds believeable to me.
4)Not true, like i already said. The BO would rather try to bring in a few real hints which are covered with false hints so that we think the false are true while being unsure if the true hints are true. It´s nothing then a big confusion trap and i fell for it and got almost lynched cause of that.

Even if it´s your second game, Kleene told us that she changed the rules adn we could read them. Also you admitt it yourself that you do sound very suspicious. So what now?
Should we believe you or not?

Oh "Black" Tommy, you do know that i can say the same about you just not in capital letters?
Well, he had a reason i got almost caught in that trap, being used as a bait to be the first victim and without Conia steeping up that would have probably be a success since i didn´t know what to do.
Why should they? They can also trust me you know?

Spoiler:

Well you're obviously defending James Rye for a reason,
because you aren't taking into consideration that I'm James.

But I KNOW you and James Rye are BO,
I voted for James Rye. And I'm hoping people follow me.

He told you the reason and so did i. If that´s not enough for you then vote on either for us to get lynched.
Well, did you showed us some real prove that you´re James expect those two *Speciale* investigations which one of them was about a joke anyway to begin with?

No, we´re not. You´re BO cause you try to let us appear as BO but withtaking James Black role and with your many faults considering acting that role you´re far more suspicious.
Great, then i gonna vote for you, Black Tommy. And i let the rest chose for themselves who they vote for. I trust them.^^

Spoiler:

No because I'm James Black.One Both of you are BO, I know it.

And no, cause the BO is going to APTX me. Why else would I come out?
I'm sacrificing myself to prove to you guys.

And James Rye is lying and saying he's James Black.
That is why I know he's BO.


@Ctu, There is absolutely no way.
I told Conia that Pofa was going to investigate "Tommy investigates Conia"

Is it coincidental that Pofa's action was intimidated?
And leaves me without an alliance.

That´s so wrong it hurts. >.

Also i think you´re bending the rules alot with your *PM thingy*.

Spoiler:

I just checked my PMs, conia, and what you said last night (before Day 2) was that "James Rye is innocent and I proved myself to him (not by investigation)." I took that to mean that James Rye didn't trust you because of an investigation, but for some other reason (which matches what you told me later about what happened).

I did not realize that you meant you also had not investigated James in order to trust him. In fact, I asked you about that explicitly at the start of Day 2 after Tommy got his results back, and it wasn't until then that you told me "I didn't investigate James Rye the first night." Since you had said you would investigate me last night, and since you said you'd investigated JR on the thread, I figured that if you were town, that was your ability and that's how you proved his innocence.

I can't find any other places before Day 2 where you said you'd never investigated, otherwise I wouldn't have advised Tommy to investigate that.

My logic is pretty good, though.
And it makes sense.

He stopped replying after I told him I was investigating his night action also, just saying.

I knew that he didn't investigate James Rye. That helps with believing that I'm James Black.
Therefore James Rye is lying.
And I'm still going to vote for him...

Conia, it turns out you didn't tell Pofa that you didn't investigate James Rye till today.
And also, you said I didn't tell you my actions but I clearly did.

Also, My night1 action: Investigate Abs investigate Laurell (False)
I did this because he said he was going to.

Night2: Investigate Conia investigated James Rye Night 1 (False)
I did this to see if Conia is truthworthy..

Your logic makes sense? Read all my spoilers above and then tell me that again. -_-;
His internet was down, he also stopped replying me but that´s no reason for me to think he´s BO. in fact i still ahve to write Conia and pofa a pm. Do you really believe cause i need some time for that will make me a BO?^^;

Why should it help to prove that you´re James Black? Can you explain me that *logic* please? Cause for me it makes you more suspicious. You could have written in the forum long before Conia admitts that he didn´t invest on me, but you decided to wait for that cause of?

Also posting your *night actions*after your burst out that you´re James; should that be prove that you´re James Black? Like i already said those could be false cause you have Gin or Vermouth in disguise of some investigator/detective (don´t forget the fact that two people wrote pofa that they are detectives) who gave you your roles or cause of Abs. being a BO too which means he probably killed Schillok or did some other night action and you just use that "false" response cause you know that it´s true cause you´re BO as well! 8)

And the first and the latter are more believeable after you defending Abs. who should have died today (sry, Abs. but you´re really suspicious, you gotta admitt that. Gonna send you a reply-pm either after Tommy/i got lynched or both of us)!

For example here are mine:

I invest on Tommy intimate Conia at night 1 (false)
I invest on Kainthevampire killing Schillok at night 1 (false) ( that we three are BO and are trying to confuse everyone with such a move. Or Laurell was Gin/Vermouth etc. blabla. I already explained long enough why your reasoning doesn´t work on only one way with me or Conia (or the otehr three you said they were BO) being BO, but two - that you´re BO.

Spoiler:

I say we lynch James Rye.
The fact that I knew Conia didn't investigate JR somehow prooves me being James Black.


And if James Rye is BO. Then you guys might get a lead.


Btw I'm on my iTouch and going to bed now.

So no Conia lynching after you first accusing? And no Abs. lynching who you voted for to be killed last round? But now me? You should make a final decision for who you vote for, you know?

No, it doesn´t!!! Read my spoilers above and you know why!!!

Yeah, *if* that´s the problem, "Black " Tommy.

Well *if* that only had been true... *looks at the other posts Tommy posted*

Spoiler:

Well, the fact that you (conia) readily admitted that you didn't investigate JR on Night 1 after faced with Tommy's results actually points to your innocence more than your guilt--If you and JR were in league, I would have expected you to accuse Tommy of lying to protect him.

Maybe conia's town, but wrong about JR?  :P

I'd like everyone to believe that, but I should prove myself being a townie
As I've said, I trust James Rye due to deduction, not evidence. I could have made an investigation exchange on Night 2, but I couldn't, unvoluntary, do a thing. Strange thing is, James Rye knows A LOT of me, so me not being dead by now is really weird.

See? And Conia knew alot about me but i´m still alive though that´s no wonder after Conia´s action i was sure that he´s townie as well.
Yeah, of cource we can be both BOs, but would the BO be really that dumb to use two of them as a beginning group to get others to trust them? There could way too many faults happen for that move, so no we´re both townies and you will see so if you vote for Tommy or me or Conia.

Spoiler:

I've got to hand it to you, Detective Tommy.  You had me going there!  I was all set to lynch James Rye (at least that way we'll know if conia is B.O. or not - it doesn't necessarily prove your innocence if he turns out to be B.O., mind you) until I read this:

Also, My night1 action: Investigate Abs investigate Laurell (False)
I did this because he said he was going to.

OUTRAGEOUS FALSEHOOD.

And I can not think of any reason for you to lie if you really are James Black, so really I'm confused again.  Perhaps someone has the black suitcase, and actually couldn't investigate on Night 1?  Hmm?

1) What did I say that was absolute falsehood?
Very early in the game you said "PM Kleene 'Abs investigate Laurell'"
why does you go back to the prep phase or night 1...
You might have been joking. But I checked it, and you didn't do that action...

Also... I did investigate that Night 1 and what I sAid night 2.
Idiots.

You sure you want to call all of us "idiots"? Why not even *assholes* or *motherfuckers* etc.? This is just a game, Tommy, cool down, be cool, go with the flow. No reason to call us all idiots just we don´t believe you right away.^g^

He said so? I can´t remember that and even if he did so, if he didn´t wrote you that per pm then you lied about him telling you that he told you to invest on him about invest Laurell.
So what? If he didn´t do so does that prove that Abs. is BO? Then why did you defend him after all and your last vote to kill him?
You´re not making any sense, you know. My reasoning sounds more logical then your wild accusing *You, you and you are allllllllllll BO!!!*.

Spoiler:

@Akonyl CLARIFICATION: I was referring to Detective Tommy's claim "he said he was going to."  

I never said such a thing to Detective Tommy.

I knew I should have bolded that part when I quoted it.  

you didn't say it to me. You said it on the thread.
I would look for it but I'm on my itouch.

Lynching JAmes Rye would help you all get a BO.
That is the difference.....


I proved I knew conia was lying before he admitted it.
Because I checked night 1 action on night 2.

Oh, now are we revise what we said before, huh?
And then without any explanation and with a mere excuse *on my itouch* you use a distraction with telling everyone that i´m BO and it would help them to kill me. Very trusty-worthy your reasoning.

You proved nothing nor did i! Our investigations can be false for all the rest of us know. Do you get it? They don´t know which one of them is true or if even all 4 of them are false what´s also possible with one of us being Vermouth in James disguise while the other one is Kid in James Disguise and then no one who´s Kid would be using speciale investigation when he can steal.

[James Rye]

Part 2 of my deduction:

Spoiler:

I've got to hand it to you, Detective Tommy.  You had me going there!  I was all set to lynch James Rye (at least that way we'll know if conia is B.O. or not - it doesn't necessarily prove your innocence if he turns out to be B.O., mind you) until I read this:

Also, My night1 action: Investigate Abs investigate Laurell (False)
I did this because he said he was going to.

OUTRAGEOUS FALSEHOOD.

And I can not think of any reason for you to lie if you really are James Black, so really I'm confused again.  Perhaps someone has the black suitcase, and actually couldn't investigate on Night 1?  Hmm?

1) What did I say that was absolute falsehood?
Very early in the game you said "PM Kleene 'Abs investigate Laurell'"
why does you go back to the prep phase or night 1...
You might have been joking. But I checked it, and you didn't do that action...

facepalm anyone?

Yeah, me. -.-
Looks like Abs. is selling Tommy out cause he made such many faults, like i said the biggest one is the last one so look it up.

Spoiler:

I didn't know what else to investigate.
So I checked it, because maybe you could investigator...

You don´t really expect us to believe you that you as James Black would invest something someone else wrote obviously as a joke in this thread without pming you what action he really intend to do at night 1?
If you do you´ve got to be kidding me. As James Black you have to keep either a low face (which i failed at day 1 but was better after being told about the trap) or you gonna have to be the sacrifice pawn when someone else tries to get in your group but wants to know your real name in advance.
Like pofa got to know my role when writing me and conia.
When you´re James you´re not going around, writing two different people at night 1 and the end of day 1 and telling them that you´re James, you either stick to yourself till you got some hardcore info per coincidence or someone writes you a pm like Conia did to me.
Adding to this with reading my last spoiler you admitted that you cannot be James Black! So read my last post to make sure that i´m right! 8)

Spoiler:

Well, the fact that you (conia) readily admitted that you didn't investigate JR on Night 1 after faced with Tommy's results actually points to your innocence more than your guilt--If you and JR were in league, I would have expected you to accuse Tommy of lying to protect him.

Maybe conia's town, but wrong about JR?  :P

either way, we'll find out who the real JB is after today

And now Abs has committed himself to the cause against DT. So, if Detective Tommy *is* james black, then Abs is a BO (as he's claiming it was a blatant lie), and James Rye is a BO as well (as he's claiming James Black), and conia is suspcious as well then, with his protecting of Black.

so basically, if we kill tommy and he's a BO, we're in good shape. If we kill tommy and he isn't, then we have a lot of high suspects on our hands. So to me it looks like we should still lynch tommy unless someone else has a stronger opinion.

Yes you can lynch James Rye and I can die from APTX.
If I am James black, abs and conia would be suspects too

Conia´s right about that. Today we will see who´s the real deal for sure.

Thanks Akonyl, your reasoning makes sense.

So yes, we can lnych Tommy and i die with a smile on my face when i take APTX.
Oh, so what about pofa and Akonyl who you accused of being BO too? And what about xpon? Did he just disappeared into nothingness or what?

Spoiler:

I didn't know what else to investigate.
So I checked it, because maybe you could investigator...

Even so, that's nothing to attack him over.  A joke's a joke...

I didn't attack him. I was stating a fact that I based my first night action from what he said . And they started accusing me of BO and crap

Ähm, you do realize you were the first one who throw dirt first at Conia then at xpon, pofa, me and then Akonyl?^^;
So telling others you´re the poor victim after writing out your "role name" and finally coming to the conclusion to tell everyone to kill me and not Conia like you said firstly or Abs. like you voted last time, doesn´t makes you any innocent in the slightest.

And something that can be a lie for all we know is not a fact.

Spoiler:

Okay... If you guys lynch James Rye and is BO, then Conia is BO most likely too.
And this MIGHT prove Abs is innocent. Because Conia accused Abs.

And Pofa is still questionable. Don't know if I shouldve trusted him with so much info.

Also, there are 2 options.
Kill me and find out my role. Then go after James Rye and Conia tomorrow.
Let me die by Atpx and lynch James Ryr.


I'm sticking with my vote of James Rye.
Also most of the people that vote for me are likely BO
and trying to save their partners.

Hopefully my death will help you guys.

That´s something i have to agree with you.
Now i know that you cannot trust pofa cause she goes around telling everyone your role name when you tell her yours first. Also she doesn´t gives her´s away as she told you before in her purpose a pm. But in this case i can understand since she´s unsure who of us is the liar.

Don´t forget the 3., well more your first coice, "Black" Tommy: "Let´s kill Conia, he´s BO and James Rye as well next round!" XDDDDD
Great, then i will stick to mine to vote for you though i wanted to vote on Abs., but well let him get away after all, right?
So what should we do if ALL of us vote for you to be lynched? That´s no real help you know? *facepalm*
Also according your reasoning we should have invest on those 7 people who voted for Beastly/Shinichi to die last day! Yet all YOU do is to make everyone believe those who DIDN`T voted on Beastly are BO like me, Conia and pofa or xpon who didn´t vote at all and I was the only voter for him to be lynched. Is there any reason why you defend Abs. after voting for him to die and then makes a 180° turn, now telling he´s a suspect as well when you die? 8)

And finally here´s the last spoiler with the great prove that Detective Tommy CANNOT be James Black after all:

Spoiler:

I honestly don't know about Beastly. He might be Gin, or he might not be an investigator at all and just waited till today to make some stuff up, knowing he'll get the suitcase tonight. Or they might be real. There's not much way to check if he's really an investigator now that he might get the suitcase, unless he's willing to post his results like this every day (which he shouldn't, because it could get a lot of people killed). So he's revealing a lot, but not really anything that can be checked.

Trying not to interfere with the game too much, but: There is a new ability (given to an old role) that can do exactly that: Investigate things that people did in the past. But I won't blame you for not knowing about considering Kleene introduced it right before the round started,

And what has this role?
But letting Beastly survive one night, if he is Gin can be crucial to the game.

James of the FBI can do that though he can only investigate once.

That is if he is Gin, if he´s Akai who also has 5 investigation as night action then he would be a great loss.

We could play *safe* (funny word for that situation) and all vote for xpon. xpon is still the last one who didn´t wrote anything at all. Or did someone got a pm from xpon? Or did he told the GM he´s out of the game for a while?

Or we all vote for whoever we want and watch the result.^g^

We have about 3 hours left, should be enough for a decision.

I knew which role had/has this ability! Even though it´s my first time. I mean, of cource i have to since this IS my role.
Tommy didn´t, yet he keeps saying he´s James Black even though he has no clue how to play this chara as his many faults proves so (read the spoilers above to get it, too)!

Also he was saying to kill Beastly off with intending he could be Gin!
I was defending Beastly cause i thought he was Akai!
Turned out none of us was right, but guess who died at day 1? -.-

I wanted everyone to play safe and vote for xpon, but no one listend to me. -.-

Now we have about 5 hours left, so please don´t make a fault when voting. If you distrust me after all, then please don´t hesitates to vote for me to be lynched! Cause my death is so or so confirmed and with that also the death of the BO. 8)

[Commi-Ninja]

Alright, I don't have the patience to finish reading through all of your spoiler boxes... Can you summarize it, please?

[James Rye]

Alright, I don't have the patience to finish reading through all of your spoiler boxes... Can you summarize it, please?

Uhm, read the last spoiler and then get the rest yourself? :9

Okay, basically the same as Tommy keeps screaming around since yesterday, that i´m the real one, he´s the fraud, expect that i don´t accuse Conia or pofa or Akonyl to be Bos like he did.^^

Also i make this two posts (sorry for double post btw) in like 3-4 hours. Can you maybe read like the half just so that it wan´t for nothing?^^;