Mafia Round 39: Secret Mysterious Hidden Secret Forbidden Palace

[Yurikochan]

[me=Yurikochan]happily eats the thrown Gummi bears.[/me]

[Conia]

Ohai people, I'm back from my vacations and ready to lynch the rest of the BO \o/

PT, hopelessidiot, Sakina, Kiwi and Stoppy are the confirmed BOs, right? Which means, by the numbers of players, that there's 1 or 2 BOs left.

Let me make it clear:
DON'T TRUST/TALK TO STOPWATCH

I know she's the reason why Gio was poisoned, so don't tell her anything, since it seems people are in contact with her. I'll be back with more info before I'm poisoned today, so prepare your votings!

[Yurikochan]

Gin-chan! \o/

[Stopwatch]

...Conia, I am not BO, as several others can back me up on. Also, the BO most likely have someone who can inv (we know they had Gin earlier who I think can inv...?) and they always have a sniper. It's much more likely that they caught a disc and observed to check which trickster it was. After all, why kill the main person who believed me when I'd only just earned some trust after being stuck in jail :/, I hate not being trusted and being stuck arrested D:.

@Everyone Else: Conia thought I was BO before he left, that seems to be the only reason he thinks it now :x.

[Conia]

Why not poison Gio? You were busted already so why leave alive a sure APTX? Gio was 100% proven as town too. If anyone(alive) can prove you're Town, then please talk to me.

Onto today's lynching: The suspicious people are AoS, Edo and Abs. (since I'm getting poisoned)

I believe out of those 3 that Edo is the remaining BO, however it isn't solid proof. I hope someone with proof that Edo is townie can speak up, if not, we should lynch him.

(If it needs confirmation: I trust Mystery and Aries are 95% town, and around 60% that IU is town)

EDIT: Edo is most likely town, don't lynch him!

This leaves AoS and Abs. as suspicious... however I have no idea who to lynch

[Stopwatch]

Gio trusted me, if I was BO I'd have used that, asked her to disc people I found 'susp', not killed the little influence I had at that point. I wasn't 'quite' busted, as you say , there were about two others who trusted me, but if I was BO I'd get rid of those who didn't trust me, not the few I could actually 'use'

[Conia]

Gio trusted you? Why did she get a cop to arrest you then? Only one I found that said you were trusted was Raiden in his will, while back in Day 2 most people were about to lynch you, but you were saved by PT, AFAIK. PT turned out to be BO, so I prefer to believe that people that thought you were BO at first and almost lynched you.

[Stopwatch]

Can we just talk about this on IRC? I can only access the forum through my phone atm so it makes it really hard to give a good defense, also... I like how you totally admitted the parts of your argument I managed to counter-argue on IRC before :x
Also, I don't get the PT bit and Gio having me arrested, mind explaining it to me...? :/
@Everyone else: Can you PM me if you have doubts on my Town-ness now, I can guarantee I'm Town so I'll give whatever evidence you want.

[Conia]

Don't PM, say them here, it is why I'm posting here: We need to uncover everything, so let's talk it over here, cleanly, I can quote the IRC parts you want if needed, but it is time the game decides on the BO side or the Town side, that's why I'm giving away all my info now before my death

[Stopwatch]

The point was, Conia, that I couldn't type very fast on my phone . Anyway, I've now transferred to my laptop after disc'ing on IRC so I can post a defense up probably, give me twenty minutes 'cause MM's on though

EDIT: Here it is, hopefully it'll answer all your questions, though I lost the logs for most of our conversation (would it be okay for you to post it up here?)

Gio trusted you? Why did she get a cop to arrest you then?  Only one I found that said you were trusted was Raiden in his will, while back in Day 2 most people were about to lynch you, but you were saved by PT, AFAIK. PT turned out to be BO, so I prefer to believe that people that thought you were BO at first and almost lynched you.

I had no idea PT had claimed to save me and don't know how she'd do it anyway, as far as I know (and yeah, I just looked it up again :x) Cover does not work on Day phases and would imply Vermouth-protector anyway, which... is possible actually (though unlikely), but wouldn't explain why PT would mention she'd save someone who seems to be 'BO' when it'd just implicate her if I did end up dead and BO :x.

Didn't know about the arrest either, though it confirms me being arrested for tricking people ¬_¬, kinda annoyed she did that after I went round asking if anyone had leaked my action...

And people thinking I was BO at first was because of Lynz CEing me and getting a crime result back, then asking her allies to pass it on iirc. I admit to being a trickster and have to several people since being arrested (only Raiden, Gio and Yuriko before that) so, I'm a trickster, I have crimes, however I have also helped prove quite a few Townies as I pointed out before. You would've lynched Edo if I didn't trigger whatever knowledge you had on him being Town and, at this point of the game, a BO could not afford to do that, especially when they have a perfect set up to get rid of Townie without seeming susp themselves.

Tell me if I've missed anything

[Conia]

Anyone here thinks Stoppy is town?

Spoiler: Logs

[18:45] Ganondork [18:36] Ganondork This is all the info I got back when you were arrested
[18:45] Ganondork [18:36] Ganondork Yes, Gio got the cop to arrest you
[18:45] Ganondork [18:36] Ganondork PT claimed she was gonna save you from the lynching, and the lynching was stopped....
[18:46] Ganondork I don't have much time left to keep this talk since I'll be leaving soon
[18:48] Stopwatch It wasn't PT who saved me, I don't even see hpw she could do that if she was Calvados...
[18:48] Stopwatch That was her role, right?
[18:48] Stopwatch *how
[18:48] Ganondork Yup
[18:48] Ganondork She must have got someone to protect you
[18:49] Ganondork Why would PT trust you so much?
[18:49] Stopwatch Either protect or VoR
[18:49] Stopwatch Not a clue, I still thought she was Town at that point :x
[18:49] Stopwatch Ended up giving away way too much info D:
[18:51] Stopwatch *cough* Anyway... PT knew I could trick, but I had no idea about her claiming to save me or Gio getting me arrested
[18:52] Stopwatch Why did she do that...?
[18:52] Stopwatch D:
[18:52] Ganondork PT? To save a BO
[18:52] Ganondork Gio? We proved her as town, she was on our side, probably why the BO poisoned her
[18:53] Stopwatch I mean, get me arrested
[18:53] Ganondork She was the one that got us the cop to arrest you, since we asked her
[18:54] Stopwatch Why though? I put Gio and Yuriko in contact iirc
[18:55] Ganondork It was the suspicion we had on you
[18:55] Stopwatch I don't get why, when the circumstances were the same for both of us, she was trusted over me?
[18:55] Stopwatch Why was I suspicious?
[18:55] Ganondork Inconsistencies in your claims
[18:55] Stopwatch I don't get it
[18:55] Stopwatch Like what?
[18:57] Ganondork Like, you told me on Night 2 (Or Day 1) that you knew a Kir or an Okiya, meaning you had info about one of the BO roles, but, when about to get lynched, you claimed your will didn't have anything important or good enough for the town
[18:57] Ganondork Knowing a BO roles is good information for the town, so something doesn't add up there...
[18:57] Stopwatch That was Aly?
[18:58] Stopwatch She told me either Betrayal or Detect showed someone was in the game
[18:58] Stopwatch Can't remember if it was Vodka or gin now
[18:58] Stopwatch *Gin
[18:58] Stopwatch And, no, I'd given all my useful info away, so of course nothing in there would be useful
[18:58] Ganondork You had the info, it means your will was certain useful at that time
[18:59] Stopwatch I'd told all my allies it so they already knew
[18:59] Stopwatch Meaning, not useful
[18:59] Ganondork All your allies aren't all the players....
[19:00] Ganondork By that logic, your will is never useful...
[19:00] Stopwatch But people know people know people
[19:00] Stopwatch And Yuriko had the main alliance
[19:00] Stopwatch I'd given her the info so it should get round to most...
[19:01] Ganondork A will is much more trustable than telling someone though
[19:02] Stopwatch S'pose so, my point was more it wouldn't be anything new :/
[19:03] Stopwatch And... I'd got it from Aly who I still didn't fully trust...
[19:03] Ganondork I wonder how Aly got poisoned....
[19:05] Stopwatch 'kay, and I don't have a clue, she told me the info was Betrayal or Detect from an ally :x
[19:05] Stopwatch (Don't think I mentioned that before :x)
[19:36] Stop 'kay, half writing defense, half watching myself maybe die
[19:37] Ganondork I stilll want to know if anyone thinks you're townie.... I'll ask in the thread
[19:38] Stop Timezones~
[19:38] Stop Apparently it's all messed up and they're asleep or at church and stuff...
[19:38] Stop From asking around at least :/
[19:38] Ganondork :/ :/ :/
[19:39] Stop I asked them to PM me if they had doubts too and no one's done so..
[19:39] Ganondork Not good...
[19:40] Stop And... I kinda told them the lead before you said you were totally certain Aries was Town
[19:40] Stop *headdesk* Really hope you're wrong on this now
[19:40] Ganondork Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor
[19:40] Ganondork You could PM them to change their vote
[19:40] Stop I could do, however I have no idea if they'd get it or not :/
[19:41] Stop They usually take ages to reply :/
[19:41] Stop And have you seen IU btw?
[19:42] Ganondork You can still PM them though, even if they won't answer
[19:42] Stop True...
[19:42] Stop Let me finish the defense and I'll get round to it
[19:42] Ganondork K
[19:42] Stop After all, I doubt they'd change it if they don't trust me :x
[19:48] Ganondork If they don't trust you, they wouldn't lynch Aries in the first place
[19:49] Stop I mean, after you trying to discredit me :x
[19:49] Ganondork I insist with my statement :V
[19:50] Stop Oh, you mean, if they don't trust me anymore, they'd cancel it...?
[19:50] Stop That what you meant?
[19:50] Ganondork Yup
[19:51] Stop Ah, 'kay, misunderstood something yet again.

[IdentityUnknown]

I...am confused. I thought there were only 4 BO (according to Kir). But considering that now there are more...

Stopwatch, I'm inclined to say that judging by my results and assuming there are >4 BO, I do not trust you. If there is confirmed that there are 4 I might change my mind.

I won't be on until tomorrow, btw, so I'm random-lynching AoS/Abs.

[Apprentice of Shiho]

Anyone here thinks Stoppy is town?

*cough*
I think Stoppy is town!  8-)
Oh... and PT has noting to do with the reason Stoppy wasn't lynched...  :-[

I...am confused. I thought there were only 4 BO (according to Kir). But considering that now there are more...

Stopwatch, I'm inclined to say that judging by my results and assuming there are >4 BO, I do not trust you. If there is confirmed that there are 4 I might change my mind.

I won't be on until tomorrow, btw, so I'm random-lynching AoS/Abs.

I'm innocent!

[Conia]

Gio trusted you? Why did she get a cop to arrest you then?  Only one I found that said you were trusted was Raiden in his will, while back in Day 2 most people were about to lynch you, but you were saved by PT, AFAIK. PT turned out to be BO, so I prefer to believe that people that thought you were BO at first and almost lynched you.

I had no idea PT had claimed to save me and don't know how she'd do it anyway, as far as I know (and yeah, I just looked it up again :x) Cover does not work on Day phases and would imply Vermouth-protector anyway, which... is possible actually (though unlikely), but wouldn't explain why PT would mention she'd save someone who seems to be 'BO' when it'd just implicate her if I did end up dead and BO :x.

Didn't know about the arrest either, though it confirms me being arrested for tricking people ¬_¬, kinda annoyed she did that after I went round asking if anyone had leaked my action...

And people thinking I was BO at first was because of Lynz CEing me and getting a crime result back, then asking her allies to pass it on iirc. I admit to being a trickster and have to several people since being arrested (only Raiden, Gio and Yuriko before that) so, I'm a trickster, I have crimes, however I have also helped prove quite a few Townies as I pointed out before. You would've lynched Edo if I didn't trigger whatever knowledge you had on him being Town and, at this point of the game, a BO could not afford to do that, especially when they have a perfect set up to get rid of Townie without seeming susp themselves.

Tell me if I've missed anything

PT told us she was saving you on day 2 from your lynching and the fact is you were saved when lots of people were lynching you. Calvados couldn't have saved you, but other roles could have (Like was said a week ago: VoR or any kind of Protect). PT turned out to be BO (We investigated her being disguised as Vermouth on Night 3 btw) so why would a BO protect a "townie" if you and her didn't talk enough to anyone trust each other? Even going as far as to asking someone else to stop the lynching?

Yes, we found crimes on you, you claimed Eisuke at first, but when Yuriko asked you for your role to ID it, you hesitated and asked me if you should tell your true role to her. I told you that you should do so, and claimed Yoko. This is where you whole scheme went down, since Parkur had already ID'd Gio as Yoko on Day 2, meaning you were lying about your role, and even twice.

Anyone here thinks Stoppy is town?

*cough*
I think Stoppy is town! 
Oh... and PT has noting to do with the reason Stoppy wasn't lynched... 

I...am confused. I thought there were only 4 BO (according to Kir). But considering that now there are more...

Stopwatch, I'm inclined to say that judging by my results and assuming there are >4 BO, I do not trust you. If there is confirmed that there are 4 I might change my mind.

I won't be on until tomorrow, btw, so I'm random-lynching AoS/Abs.

I'm innocent!

So, it was you who protected Stoppy on Day 2? :O

[Stopwatch]

I...am confused. I thought there were only 4 BO (according to Kir). But considering that now there are more...

Stopwatch, I'm inclined to say that judging by my results and assuming there are >4 BO, I do not trust you. If there is confirmed that there are 4 I might change my mind.

I won't be on until tomorrow, btw, so I'm random-lynching AoS/Abs.

1) Your results? o_O
2) You can't fake Kir's action with that, even with disguisers, the most logical explanation is that you guys arrested a Townie

Spoiler:

Gio trusted you? Why did she get a cop to arrest you then?  Only one I found that said you were trusted was Raiden in his will, while back in Day 2 most people were about to lynch you, but you were saved by PT, AFAIK. PT turned out to be BO, so I prefer to believe that people that thought you were BO at first and almost lynched you.

Spoiler:

I had no idea PT had claimed to save me and don't know how she'd do it anyway, as far as I know (and yeah, I just looked it up again :x) Cover does not work on Day phases and would imply Vermouth-protector anyway, which... is possible actually (though unlikely), but wouldn't explain why PT would mention she'd save someone who seems to be 'BO' when it'd just implicate her if I did end up dead and BO :x.

Didn't know about the arrest either, though it confirms me being arrested for tricking people ¬_¬, kinda annoyed she did that after I went round asking if anyone had leaked my action...

And people thinking I was BO at first was because of Lynz CEing me and getting a crime result back, then asking her allies to pass it on iirc. I admit to being a trickster and have to several people since being arrested (only Raiden, Gio and Yuriko before that) so, I'm a trickster, I have crimes, however I have also helped prove quite a few Townies as I pointed out before. You would've lynched Edo if I didn't trigger whatever knowledge you had on him being Town and, at this point of the game, a BO could not afford to do that, especially when they have a perfect set up to get rid of Townie without seeming susp themselves.

Tell me if I've missed anything

PT told us she was saving you on day 2 from your lynching and the fact is you were saved when lots of people were lynching you. Calvados couldn't have saved you, but other roles could have (Like was said a week ago: VoR or any kind of Protect). PT turned out to be BO (We investigated her being disguised as Vermouth on Night 3 btw) so why would a BO protect a "townie" if you and her didn't talk enough to anyone trust each other? Even going as far as to asking someone else to stop the lynching?

I had talked to PT at that point and was thinking she was Town, possibly she had the same idea as when Eve was Eisuke a few rounds ago , ally and defend the Townie (while making sure they do in fact get lynched) so that when they die and it's revealed they're a Townie, it makes PT seem like she's also good. Most probable explanation imo.

Yes, we found crimes on you, you claimed Eisuke at first, but when Yuriko asked you for your role to ID it, you hesitated and asked me if you should tell your true role to her. I told you that you should do so, and claimed Yoko. This is where you whole scheme went down, since Parkur had already ID'd Gio as Yoko on Day 2, meaning you were lying about your role, and even twice.

True, I really thought at that point she might be Vermouth-Okiya though and... considering you two are generally in contact with each other I was fairly sure you'd be allied and the message'd get onto her so there'd be an incorrect APTX, instead of my real role, I really regretted telling her it in the first place and that was the first thing that came to mind to try and back out in a non susp way, there's a reason I prefer allies to talk me out of this sort of plan (and, yeah, it was irrational, I know, but... it was one of those hunches and it didn't help she refused to tell me her actions or anything ).