Mafia Mafia Mafia! Pt. 3! (Game 5: Stalemate - no winner)

[TheBlind]

I agree with Schillok that Callid is suspicious.

At the moment Callid, isn't my prey but I believe everything should be done out in the open. So I give you and the town this:

Spoiler: Observation on Callid

On page 10 of this thread, Callid revealed his role intentionally or unintentionally by claiming he would follow(Observe) this thread if he was not a taking part in the game(Not a player in the main game) and that he would refrain for posting so to not give anything away(blending in with the crowd).

Observer
Not a main player visually
Blending In

Those traits are only apparent in two roles, Okiya and Bourbon and they both have the task to observe the situation in the canon without playing a key part in current events. They only task is to gather information while blending in. So even before the end of the first Night, I had an incline on Callid's role just by that single post but this was all just conjecture. Now here is the problem. Unlike last game, I do not have the benefit of being a "wild card" and my abilities are known. So I have a strong belief that the shadows are trying to use my way of thinking to their benefit by intentionally leaving a false scent to slow me from separating the towns people from the evil. And it doesn't help that what was left in that post points to a role that could be good or evil.

So Callid could be telling the truth about being Okiya and what I saw back then(even if Callid claims he never intended to leave such information..my eyes picked it up) supports this...but it also supports that he could be Bourbon. Then there is the possibility someone else mentioned that he could be Vermouth and he dropped the hint for someone to pick up on page 10 with the intent of  following with his claims of operating in the open. Last game I showed that operating out in the open will lead to everyone trusting you eventually and he could be taking advantage of that or could be genuinely be telling the truth.

So I'm not sure on Callid and won't even take a guess as he isn't my target.. but I am sure of one thing Callid. You just decided to operate in the light for all to see and there are only two kinds of people that would do that:

You see there are two kinds of people that operate in the open.
Those that want to and those that need/must to.
So Callid, the moment you played this hand, you went all in(like myself last game and myself this game). If you try to step into the shadows again, regardless of the reason, the towns people WILL lose their faith in you, remember that.

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Go the page wrong, it was page 10.

[Akonyl]

I agree with Schillok that Callid is suspicious.

At the moment Callid, isn't my prey but I believe everything should be done out in the open. So I give you and the town this:

Spoiler: Observation on Callid

On page 15 of this thread, Callid revealed his role intentionally or unintentionally by claiming he would follow(Observe) this thread if he was not a taking part in the game(Not a player in the main game) and that he would refrain for posting so to not give anything away(blending in with the crowd).

Observer
Not a main player visually
Blending In

Those traits are only apparent in two roles, Okiya and Bourbon and they both have the task to observe the situation in the canon without playing a key part in current events. They only task is to gather information while blending in. So even before the end of the first Night, I had an incline on Callid's role just by that single post but this was all just conjecture. Now here is the problem. Unlike last game, I do not have the benefit of being a "wild card" and my abilities are known. So I have a strong belief that the shadows are trying to use my way of thinking to their benefit by intentionally leaving a false scent to slow me from separating the towns people from the evil. And it doesn't help that what was left in that post points to a role that could be good or evil.

So Callid could be telling the truth about being Okiya and what I saw back then(even if Callid claims he never intended to leave such information..my eyes picked it up) supports this...but it also supports that he could be Bourbon. Then there is the possibility someone else mentioned that he could be Vermouth and he dropped the hint for someone to pick up on page 15 with the intent of  following with his claims of operating in the open. Last game I showed that operating out in the open will lead to everyone trusting you eventually and he could be taking advantage of that or could be genuinely be telling the truth.

So I'm not sure on Callid and won't even take a guess as he isn't my target.. but I am sure of one thing Callid. You just decided to operate in the light for all to see and there are only two kinds of people that would do that:

You see there are two kinds of people that operate in the open.
Those that want to and those that need/must to.
So Callid, the moment you played this hand, you went all in(like myself last game and myself this game). If you try to step into the shadows again, regardless of the reason, the towns people WILL lose their faith in you, remember that.

maybe I'm just crazy, but it looks like the only thing callid said on page 15 was the comment about modkilling.

[TheBlind]

maybe I'm just crazy, but it looks like the only thing callid said on page 15 was the comment about modkilling.

I meant page 10...dammit Akonyl..you ruined my cool scene!

Reply will be edited to fix the mistake.

[Akonyl]

maybe I'm just crazy, but it looks like the only thing callid said on page 15 was the comment about modkilling.

I meant page 10...dammit Akonyl..you ruined my cool scene!

Reply will be edited to fix the mistake.

ah. So then, this post:

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Even if I weren't playing this game, I'd probably read this thread anyway. It's so amusing!

No, I won't say anything else. Anything I say can will be used against me in some way (I'm sure someone will read something out of this text as well) and therefore I'll stay quiet.

Considering Akako, I'm against it. We shouldn't include her, she doesn't belong to DC. And she doesn't really fit the mood.

to me, that just says "lol look at all these silly posts, this is funny even to people not in the game I'd bet" and "revealing your role on night 1 is almost universally unnecessary".

on the other hand, your post simply says "look at these deductions that state that he's one of these two people, which he's already said himself". To that point, I also find your points to be almost as much of a stretch as when I was accusing everyone of being Gin at the start by changing their words to say "slander", making your post seem to me as more of a diversion to make us think you're a good guy than an actual accusation of Callid.

[Tanner-kun]

The post on page 10 seems pretty normal to me, especially with all the accusations we did in the prep phase before anyone got their role. Hey I myself thought of trying to be more quiet in this game because I gave away so much info last game, but with my role this game its not that important to be careful. in fact I got info on possible suspects even with the non info gathering the role I got. But when the time comes I will confront my suspect here in the thread, out in the light for everyone to witness.

I wrote this as akonyl posted so I agree with what she said and everything, and be prepared for the info I have gathered, before it can be reveled I need to find 1 last thing out, and this lynch should be helpful to finding it.

[TheBlind]

to me, that just says "lol look at all these silly posts, this is funny even to people not in the game I'd bet" and "revealing your role on night 1 is almost universally unnecessary".

on the other hand, your post simply says "look at these deductions that state that he's one of these two people, which he's already said himself". To that point, I also find your points to be almost as much of a stretch as when I was accusing everyone of being Gin at the start by changing their words to say "slander", making your post seem to me as more of a diversion to make us think you're a good guy than an actual accusation of Callid.

No, my dear Akonyl, I stated the following:
"Callid make it clear what his role was on page 10 and now has come out in the open to confirm my suspicions. Coicidence or a long winded plan? I have no idea"

I can't prove that I had a belief Callid was either Okiya or Bourbon from that one post before he stated himself that he was Okiya, so I don't fault you for thinking it was a stretch..but you also said the same things about all my conjectures last game. So I have come to except doubt from you on any issue. As for my trying to create a diversion, that would imply the thread was focused on me, which it was not.

My words still stand from last game, I do not fear getting lynched because if I go, it means there was truth in what I just posted and that is my ultimate goal, finding the truth. It seems the light makes you nervous Akonyl.

[Tanner-kun]

I'm sorry but to me I only see his post as, he enjoys the game and it would be fun even if he didn't play and just watched, and that with all the accusations he didn't want to get accused over every small thing he does -yet he still got accused merely on that statement-.

[Akonyl]

to me, that just says "lol look at all these silly posts, this is funny even to people not in the game I'd bet" and "revealing your role on night 1 is almost universally unnecessary".

on the other hand, your post simply says "look at these deductions that state that he's one of these two people, which he's already said himself". To that point, I also find your points to be almost as much of a stretch as when I was accusing everyone of being Gin at the start by changing their words to say "slander", making your post seem to me as more of a diversion to make us think you're a good guy than an actual accusation of Callid.

No, my dear Akonyl, I stated the following:
"Callid make it clear what his role was on page 10 and now has come out in the open to confirm my suspicions. Coicidence or a long winded plan? I have no idea"

I can't prove that I had a belief Callid was either Okiya or Bourbon from that one post before he stated himself that he was Okiya, so I don't fault you for thinking it was a stretch..but you also said the same things about all my conjectures last game. So I have come to except doubt from you on any issue. As for my trying to create a diversion, that would imply the thread was focused on me, which it was not.

My words still stand from last game, I do not fear getting lynched because if I go, it means there was truth in what I just posted and that is my ultimate goal, finding the truth. It seems the light makes you nervous Akonyl.

And Rhett Butler once stated the following:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

Also, unless I'm mistaken, last game it wasn't that I said your reasoning was a stretch, it's that I had no reason to trust you. And I still don't trust you, but your reasoning this time seems shakier than your previous.

And yes, I am a doubtful person. But if you're the person you want me to think you are, there's a very simple way to clear that doubt, I would think.

[xpon]

I agree. Let's lynch xpon!

Damm You!!!! 

any one who vote for my lynch is a BO member...

About lynching: Well, xpon is certainly suspicious after just 1 night.

i'm not because i can get that info.. because i'm the boy who likes to eat Unagi

anyway, I'm gonna go with callid being okiya for now at least, due to him agreeing with my xpon suspicions.

Not you too.....

Still, the main question is about xpon... how did you find out 5 people other than himself that he could remove from the list in just 1 night? You said that you couldn't reveal how you know it? You said your dead would prove the truth of your claims.

Seriously, in that situation you should have hold back on the information or only shared it with the ones you know you could trust. Since you didn't... it looks very suspicious.
It is better to explain yourself... before we have to take other measures if we can trust you or not.

maybe because i'm new or maybe just because i'm stupid. but this is how i seperate the list

in my 9 suspect list

pofa
Kleene Onigiri
Beastly
Commi-Ninja
conia
Ctu
Holmes
mangaluva
Schillok

this is the names of people that i REALLY have NO clue aboout thier role

while the others

Akonyl
blurfbreg
Callid
TheBlind
Xcommando

i know because of my role at least 2 of them is inocent.. (but why putting 5 names right? because if i just put 2 names.. then even a grade schooler will know that 1 is ayumi and the others is mitsuhiko.. so i tried to protect my partners and told them to not come forth to help me..... )  being a sacrife lamb at the night 2 is better thatn getting all of townies lost without any useful info.

So even on my 5 innocent list... it still have 3 Suspicious people... but if i'm not dying to day (because of lynching) i'll get another info.



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and if any of you still didn't know which Detective Boys i am.... go back and re-read from Manga Volume 2!!!!!
the hint is Unagi, Overweight, and the self-claimed leader of Shonen tantei-dan

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IF all the townie believe in me.. and still some member that vote for my lynch .. you can be sure.. that person is a mobster.......

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This is my Dieing Wish..

-To my partners, please share our info and result of investigation "day 1" to my secret  informant (the ones that i pm and the ones that you dont want me to reveal your role..)

[Sakina]

did you want to see my PM from sakina... the Role or Roll.....

We have already established that this is against the rules. 

I don't want to see this happen again.

That's your warning.  There won't be another one.

[xpon]

did you want to see my PM from sakina... the Role or Roll.....

We have already established that this is against the rules. 

I don't want to see this happen again.

That's your warning.  There won't be another one.

sorry... sorry.... wont do that again.... (didnt read your previous post) sorry.....

But I think I'll have to explain myself first.
I got one of the roles I considered weakest in my role list. Well, that wouldn't be that bad, because I think most roles are about the same strength in my list, even the add-roles like the lovers.
However, our current GM *shoots evil glare at Sakina* decided to make the role even weaker by removing her strongest ability. Now my only job is probably to publish my role and hope someone will believe and trust me, otherwise I won't change anything - and with my abilities, I can never make a great deduction.
At least I'm living in a great house this game - although I don't own it, and the name at the entrance isn't mine, but "Kudo", and you're sometimes attacked by randomly visiting girls. They even infiltrate the bath room...

Oh, and I can tell you we have a Bourbon in the game. So don't choose false covers too easily...

At first though i think ypur role is either okiya or bourbon.

but when i see this part

But I think I'll have to explain myself first.
However, our current GM *shoots evil glare at Sakina* decided to make the role even weaker by removing her strongest ability. Now my only job is probably to publish my role and hope someone will believe and trust me, otherwise I won't change anything - and with my abilities, I can never make a great deduction.

i still thinks you're either ERI or AI

[Sakina]

did you want to see my PM from sakina... the Role or Roll.....

We have already established that this is against the rules. 

I don't want to see this happen again.

That's your warning.  There won't be another one.

sorry... sorry.... wont do that again.... (didnt read your previous post) sorry.....

I should think, that even if you don't read the other posts, you should at least read the posts of the GM.  Or even just skim them... just to make sure you don't miss anything important. 

[xpon]

did you want to see my PM from sakina... the Role or Roll.....

We have already established that this is against the rules. 

I don't want to see this happen again.

That's your warning.  There won't be another one.

sorry... sorry.... wont do that again.... (didnt read your previous post) sorry.....

I should think, that even if you don't read the other posts, you should at least read the posts of the GM.  Or even just skim them... just to make sure you don't miss anything important. 

no.. that's not what i mean..

i just got online for 20minutes.. and i have to read from page 14.. so i just read stuff that related to accusion ( and i kinda panic because almost all of you trying to kill me... so when i read your previoust post .. i think it just you and  akonyl playing triks in editing and photoshoping PMs.. he he he... because i',m panic.. i just skip both of your post and focusing on defending and trying to reconvin that i'm a townie




sorry again

[TheBlind]

But I think I'll have to explain myself first.
However, our current GM *shoots evil glare at Sakina* decided to make the role even weaker by removing her strongest ability. Now my only job is probably to publish my role and hope someone will believe and trust me, otherwise I won't change anything - and with my abilities, I can never make a great deduction.

i still thinks you're either ERI or AI

You have pointed out something extremely interesting xpon. It could be only a typo..but it could also be a lot more, nice job.
"Wild Cards" are the most dangerous players and you are showing it.

[xpon]

But I think I'll have to explain myself first.
However, our current GM *shoots evil glare at Sakina* decided to make the role even weaker by removing her strongest ability. Now my only job is probably to publish my role and hope someone will believe and trust me, otherwise I won't change anything - and with my abilities, I can never make a great deduction.

i still thinks you're either ERI or AI

You have pointed out something extremely interesting xpon. It could be only a typo..but it could also be a lot more, nice job.
"Wild Cards" are the most dangerous players and you are showing it.

i really dont believe it's a typo.... if SHE become HE.. it possible.. but HE become HER.... (just what keyboard he use?? huh... and i dont thing anyone will type HE become HER... )