Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Akonyl]

@ako: you said somewhere that the example holmes for "getting active again" doesn't count because he was aptxed anyway. (thus his vote would have been removed anyway)
But he did get active again.

it wasn't so much that I said it didn't count as it was that I meant that in the end, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd actually become active or not that time because either way his vote would've gotten nullified. Not a point in the argument, just an observation on the game

and you may not repeat it anymore, but I still don't see how getting inactives to vote for themselves does anything to break tie votes or penalize them for inactivity. All it will do is turn a vote like:
Votes for A: B, C, D, E, F
Votes for B: G, H, I

into

Votes for A: B, C, D, E, F
Votes for B: G, H, I
Votes for J: J
Votes for K: K
Votes for L: L

etc, which is little more than a cosmetic change, because very seldomly will people actually be voting to lynch an inactive player beyond the first day.

[Kleene Onigiri]

if it's not such a game-breaking thing, you can just add it


Or you could  put in something I planned :x But I wanted to do that in my round.... fufufu~

[Akonyl]

if it's not such a game-breaking thing, you can just add it


Or you could  put in something I planned :x But I wanted to do that in my round.... fufufu~

why put something in that doesn't do anything? :V

Besides, it conflicts with lethargy, which I do believe is useful.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I didn't see the usefulness of lethargy yet either :p

[Akonyl]

lethargy can actually effect things though (such as if holmes wasn't APTXed), but until you give an example on how the self-voting thing could actually change things, I don't see how it would change things at all

[Kleene Onigiri]

For once you can vote for inactives :p

And people would be motivated to vote, when it's random voting. Because otherwise they're easier to kill :x

[Akonyl]

as I've said though, aside from Day 1, people don't vote inactives, there's really no reason to. The only time inactives would be put into the spotlight is if they were interrogated as BO or something, and at that point there won't be enough of a vote split that that one inactive's vote for themselves will change anything.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Hey hey, you wanted a example :p You didn't say if it has to be usable in every situation :p

And your lethargy is also just goof when there is a inactive one at the end of  the game when the BO needs just some more votes :p

And waht about my 2nd example? D:

[Abs.]

If you're inactive, you're inactive! No coming back and screwing up the BO plans because the BO didn't take your return into account!

[Akonyl]

if you're trying to prove why an idea works, your proof shouldn't be an example that would only happen once every blue moon when the stars align

and yes, it does. Inactive players ruin the game anyway, and I see no problem with punishing them for doing so. If town loses the game because a player was lethargic, it's still the inactive player's fault. Sure they could say "I was lethargic I couldn't do anything about it", but the fact remains that if they're lethargic, it means that they knowingly didn't vote in the game even though they knew that they would have the penalty incurred upon them.

as for your second example: As I've been saying, your idea would work for Day 1 when there's actually random voting, but beyond that random voting hardly ever happens. Also, unless you force people to vote day 1 (which would then reveal travelers, unless you decide to make travelers able to vote), they could still just not vote because then when they waste their "free vote" on day 1, the penalty doesn't mean anything after Day 1.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I feel like running in a circle :p
I don't wanna repeat myself with it over and over :V So let's cut it here XD

If you're inactive, you're inactive! No coming back and screwing up the BO plans because the BO didn't take your return into account!

I think that happened once or twice xD

[xpon]

If you're inactive, you're inactive! No coming back and screwing up the BO plans because the BO didn't take your return into account!

I think that happened once or twice xD

xpon kinda remember a round where he is sick.. and just pop up 2 phase before end and revealing the last BO

and if i remember, the gm is a cute girl who look like she is younger than her actual age...

[Commi-Ninja]

It comes to my attention that everyone despises being Camel when they're him.  Perhaps we should do something about it.

[Vylash]

I've been trying to make him better, but I can't come up with anything D:

[Akonyl]

I honestly think it's just a stigma at this point from when he was just an observe role (and how often he'd pop up), as really, stake-out and observe is pretty useful imo.