Mafia Round 33: Sympathy for the Devil [BO WINS!]

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pofa wrote: @Stopwatch: It's not my info, so I can't be that sure. :P The person who gave it to me said they were pretty sure though, and it's the only lead we have.
Well, that's what's weird, they said they don't trust you enough to reveal what kind of info of how they have obtained the result, but trust you enough to tell you such info... two possibilities
1. They're BO trying to eliminate me - possibly b/c of the charts I've been making?
Possibly, but xpon made charts much more detailed than that in the thread when he was Anokata, gathering the info isn't that useful (or he wouldn't have done it) so they probably wouldn't kill you over it (unless they've not got any other target in mind, I s'pose)
Eve wrote: 2. They're BO trying to get me to freak out and try to look for ppl to prove me and in the process exposing my role for poisoning.
Again, it's possible, Kazuha is dead so your only chance would be if Uehara is in the game and that would only save you until the next phase 'cause of how Safeguard works. Whenever my role gets revealed it generally creates a big mess and sometimes it's more than one person given away because of it (like when I was Kid and Parkur (?) or someone accused me of being BO on Night 1, basically admitting he was a CEer in the process). So, more probable than option 1 because the BO would probably get a bigger advantage out of it if works.
Eve wrote: 3. They're town and got an interrogation result, but want to use pofa as facilitator, but in that case, if they don't trust pofa, why reveal such to pofa only and only give half-info?
Not sure, could be that they're a SOer allied with an int or a CEer, Ayumi, any role which can be narrowed down easily, plenty of scenarios here, no way to tell though... :-\
Eve wrote: Any other possibility?
Otherwise, I really see no reason for me to panic considering this person is really suspicious.
Well, I think it's more likely a Townie accusing you 'cause pofa knows the identity of the one accusing you and unless they're both BO pofa could easily compromise that person's identity making them a lynch target next day phase and if pofa doesn't reveal that everyone'll be suspicious. Getting at least one BO dead for only one Townie doesn't seem very justified imo...
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Stopwatch wrote: Possibly, but xpon made charts much more detailed than that in the thread when he was Anokata, gathering the info isn't that useful (or he wouldn't have done it) so they probably wouldn't kill you over it (unless they've not got any other target in mind, I s'pose)
Yeah, unless I've been doing thing that jolted them...? Not that I know what I've done... it could be that they've observed me though (which is weird since I'm not sure what they could have gotten that would make me be a target...)... which could result in them seeing the possibility of me being a role that's better dead than alive for a long period of time?
Again, it's possible, Kazuha is dead so your only chance would be if Uehara is in the game and that would only save you until the next phase 'cause of how Safeguard works. Whenever my role gets revealed it generally creates a big mess and sometimes it's more than one person given away because of it (like when I was Kid and Parkur (?) or someone accused me of being BO on Night 1, basically admitting he was a CEer in the process). So, more probable than option 1 because the BO would probably get a bigger advantage out of it if works.
Sounds like it, though I would say if they have waited for another night would be better, considering what can you get for only 2 night phases to be concrete enough as a town, I mean it's hard enough to establish trust-able allies LOL...
Not sure, could be that they're a SOer allied with an int or a CEer, Ayumi, any role which can be narrowed down easily, plenty of scenarios here, no way to tell though... :-\
Hmmm.... well, to be able to create such alliance after 3 phases, either they're really lucky, or really trusting - then why didn't they trust pofa enough to reveal? Not to mention, with that alliance, why go through pofa to announce?
Or I'm just confused at how ppl think LOL
Well, I think it's more likely a Townie accusing you 'cause pofa knows the identity of the one accusing you and unless they're both BO pofa could easily compromise that person's identity making them a lynch target next day phase and if pofa doesn't reveal that everyone'll be suspicious. Getting at least one BO dead for only one Townie doesn't seem very justified imo...
Well, that's possible the one accusing me is town then I don't know which action would prompts them to be very sure about it though, and if they're so sure, why tell pofa only half info? Are they sure pofa is not BO? if they're sure pofa is not BO, why not reveal the reason?... I know I'm repeating myself, but that's the part that confused me the most LOL...
Yeah sacrificing one BO for a townie is really weird... but who knows, maybe I did something (I have no idea what... 0.o) or they've got some info about me that seemed I'm a threat to them? My 'possible role' maybe?

Well, we lost Kogoro, then Kazuha, if town lost me as well, that'll be 3 townies after 4 phases, they'll most likely get a kill on night 3, so 4 townies after 5 phases. let's say Bo has 6, townie by the end of 5th phase has possibly 12 ppl left. If one Bo get lynched after the 6th phase, ratio could be 5:12 not bad for BO if the role they sacrifice is not that important, and they could still poison, not to mention Voltaire poison. Hmmm.... or maybe I've been over thinking it ...

Meh... any other thoughts?

PS. since I'm a target for this lynching, I won't vote (unless there're other leads :) )
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Stopwatch wrote: Possibly, but xpon made charts much more detailed than that in the thread when he was Anokata, gathering the info isn't that useful (or he wouldn't have done it) so they probably wouldn't kill you over it (unless they've not got any other target in mind, I s'pose)
Yeah, unless I've been doing thing that jolted them...? Not that I know what I've done... it could be that they've observed me though (which is weird since I'm not sure what they could have gotten that would make me be a target...)... which could result in them seeing the possibility of me being a role that's better dead than alive for a long period of time?
Could be anything, I don't know much about your role so I couldn't say...
Eve wrote:
Again, it's possible, Kazuha is dead so your only chance would be if Uehara is in the game and that would only save you until the next phase 'cause of how Safeguard works. Whenever my role gets revealed it generally creates a big mess and sometimes it's more than one person given away because of it (like when I was Kid and Parkur (?) or someone accused me of being BO on Night 1, basically admitting he was a CEer in the process). So, more probable than option 1 because the BO would probably get a bigger advantage out of it if works.
Sounds like it, though I would say if they have waited for another night would be better, considering what can you get for only 2 night phases to be concrete enough as a town, I mean it's hard enough to establish trust-able allies LOL...
Hmm...s'pose so...
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Not sure, could be that they're a SOer allied with an int or a CEer, Ayumi, any role which can be narrowed down easily, plenty of scenarios here, no way to tell though... :-\
Hmmm.... well, to be able to create such alliance after 3 phases, either they're really lucky, or really trusting - then why didn't they trust pofa enough to reveal? Not to mention, with that alliance, why go through pofa to announce?
Or I'm just confused at how ppl think LOL
I wasn't clear with how I said that, I think I meant more that Ayumi, a CEer, any role that could be narrowed down or a SO-Int alliance...
Eve wrote:
Well, I think it's more likely a Townie accusing you 'cause pofa knows the identity of the one accusing you and unless they're both BO pofa could easily compromise that person's identity making them a lynch target next day phase and if pofa doesn't reveal that everyone'll be suspicious. Getting at least one BO dead for only one Townie doesn't seem very justified imo...
Well, that's possible the one accusing me is town then I don't know which action would prompts them to be very sure about it though, and if they're so sure, why tell pofa only half info? Are they sure pofa is not BO? if they're sure pofa is not BO, why not reveal the reason?... I know I'm repeating myself, but that's the part that confused me the most LOL...
Yeah sacrificing one BO for a townie is really weird... but who knows, maybe I did something (I have no idea what... 0.o) or they've got some info about me that seemed I'm a threat to them? My 'possible role' maybe?

Well, we lost Kogoro, then Kazuha, if town lost me as well, that'll be 3 townies after 4 phases, they'll most likely get a kill on night 3, so 4 townies after 5 phases. let's say Bo has 6, townie by the end of 5th phase has possibly 12 ppl left. If one Bo get lynched after the 6th phase, ratio could be 5:12 not bad for BO if the role they sacrifice is not that important, and they could still poison, not to mention Voltaire poison. Hmmm.... or maybe I've been over thinking it ...

Meh... any other thoughts?
Yeah, editing these quotes is getting annoying :P /jk, nah, not sure atm, it's probably better to continue this discussion in PMs rather than in the thread, or would you rather talk about it here?
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Stopwatch wrote: Could be anything, I don't know much about your role so I couldn't say...
Meh... could be anything I supposed, though getting me on the case when they can't at least narrow my role down seemed... weird... I don't know how BO thinks anymore LOL...
Hmm...s'pose so...
Yep... which is why I think they either was jolted by me, suspected me of getting on their tails just really hope it was not b/c of my calculator which as I've said b4 not very reliable considering the overwhelming info :P
I wasn't clear with how I said that, I think I meant more that Ayumi, a CEer, any role that could be narrowed down or a SO-Int alliance...
Well, the possibility is there... but for a townie to be "pretty sure" about me when I'm town, I can only say that is not the case here, and have to not trust that they are townie...
Yeah, editing these quotes is getting annoying :P /jk, nah, not sure atm, it's probably better to continue this discussion in PMs rather than in the thread, or would you rather talk about it here?
I agree, editing these quotes are annoying, lol, but it helps clear thoughts up and everything ^^ so I would much rather going the extra step to at least get some sense out as to why I'm being accused ^^
Well, if you want, we can continue in pm ^^ though not sure what we could be discussing about, more possibilities maybe? LOL

All I have to say is to get a "pretty sure" result I'm BO, that person is really something, if they're town: uhh... good job for getting a totally wrong result...? Though isn't that kind of a rushed and full of flaws accusation?  If they're BO: Isn't that kind of a rushed and full of flaws accusation?
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Well, we essentially have two options: either lynch Eve today and maybe be wrong  (:() or wait, lynch randomly today (:() and try to figure Eve out later. Everybody will kind of have to make their own decision there...
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pofa wrote: Well, we essentially have two options: either lynch Eve today and maybe be wrong  (:() or wait, lynch randomly today (:() and try to figure Eve out later. Everybody will kind of have to make their own decision there...
I would prefer to go with a "somehow" certain lead over Eve that risking random... Besides it is possible to check on the source if we lynch Eve wrongly...

If not... can anyone prove Eve? :-\
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it would be better than lynching randomly, though I'd like to know the evidence, I can't blame them because I did the same thing last round  :-X

who knows, maybe there'll be a second VoR today or something :P
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Conia wrote: I would prefer to go with a "somehow" certain lead over Eve that risking random... Besides it is possible to check on the source if we lynch Eve wrongly...

If not... can anyone prove Eve? :-\
Akonyl wrote: it would be better than lynching randomly, though I'd like to know the evidence, I can't blame them because I did the same thing last round  :-X

who knows, maybe there'll be a second VoR today or something :P
Hmmm... I guess it makes sense to go for me when there are no evidence mentioned :P better lynch a townie than not lynch anyone at all ;) LOL Hmmm... I guess I'm just a little peeved at the fact that no evidence was stated and everyone just went with the flow... it's like suddenly a bird decided to poo on me XD

Though I guess I can get my will out this way, since even if I lived after this phase, I most likely will be erased :-/ if Pisco is present.
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Eve wrote: Hmmm... I guess it makes sense to go for me when there are no evidence mentioned :P better lynch a townie than not lynch anyone at all ;) LOL Hmmm... I guess I'm just a little peeved at the fact that no evidence was stated and everyone just went with the flow... it's like suddenly a bird decided to poo on me XD
this is how things tend to go nowadays with people being paranoid that if they let any info about how they caught a BO, they'll get poisoned immediately :V

I'd say I dislike it, but that'd be hypocritical of me now. :P
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The thing is, if they let out any info, they WILL be poisoned immediately. :P But I still haven't decided who to vote for.

To those not voting, if you really think Eve is town, not voting is probably not the best way to save her...if there are any other leads at all, might want to follow them.
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Akonyl wrote: this is how things tend to go nowadays with people being paranoid that if they let any info about how they caught a BO, they'll get poisoned immediately :V

I'd say I dislike it, but that'd be hypocritical of me now. :P
Well that's what funny, they don't trust pofa, but told her that so they're not afraid she would figure out their ability and if she's BO she could poison them still? But if they trust her enough, why not tell her the reason? If this ally is not the actual one who performed w/e action that was, then why didn't this ally announce it his or herself? considering the real ability does not belong to him/her?
pofa wrote: The thing is, if they let out any info, they WILL be poisoned immediately. :P But I still haven't decided who to vote for.

To those not voting, if you really think Eve is town, not voting is probably not the best way to save her...if there are any other leads at all, might want to follow them.
I know there's a paranoid factor, but again, the reason as stated above, if they're so paranoid, why trust you (not saying you're evil or anything, just saying it's suspicious that they don't trust you but give you a result that would prompts you into thinking they're a CEr of some sort...). And if they're so paranoid, then how come they're so "sure" that I'm BO? shouldn't they have done any re-checking, and if they're town, any re-checking would show I'm town for sure... which is why I really think this ally is BO or somehow BO lover or something :-/

PS to BO: If this accusation isn't a big mistake by pofa's ally, and it was BO's plan all along then "BO, this plan is so simple it's brilliant!" after a couple of pm w/ ppl and learning that the reason they trust this was b/c 'BO wouldn't be so dumb as to do this...' LOL... I guess either we have a town running around think s/he has the ability to confirm everything on first tries, or a simple yet brilliant BO.
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Well, if it was CE then there's always the CE slander to consider...
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I think you're getting CE mixed up with interrogation. :P But even if it was CE, there is a possibility of blame.
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