Pmofmalasia wrote: Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote:[quote="Kleene Onigiri"]
Then she also totally panics when she just hears "BO" or is feeling them. This in itself isn't really bothering, since she is scared of them.
But what happens when she's directly confronted with a BO, like, face to face?
Totally scared of Gin, but on the rooftop with Gin pointing a gun at her she's all like: "Why, hello there babe"
Totally scared of Vermouth when she just feels her presence or hears anything about her.... confronted her on her own and is also "Why, hello there babe"...
But what I didn't like at all was in one case, where the husband wanted to kill his own wife, failed and regretted it.
Haibara said she couldn't forgive such a person at all, never. This said by a person that was in an evil Organization, creating poisons that killed people (which she also confirmed personally) and even getting her own sister killed because she was in that organization.
Yeah, not contradicting at all :x
Well I think that her trying to act like that in front of the BO is just her trying to put up a front, so that they don't think she's scared. It's almost the same thing as when she met Conan, she tried to put up a front, and she only revealed her true feelings when she couldn't take what happened to her sister any longer.
Also, as for her being in the BO, we know that her parents were in it, so it wasn't her choice. We also know that her original intent wasn't to make a poison with APTX. She couldn't not continue development on APTX, or she would be killed. And she didn't really have anything to do with the death of Akemi, I'm not really sure where you got that.
And you have the choice to make or not make poison. Sure, she was forced into the BO. But it was her pride and her curiosity that kept her going her. Whether she manages to go after her parents work and finish the research on the poison.
But that's also the point. She knows how it is to be forced into a bad situation. But still she can't forgive, acting all high and mighty.
Akemi wasn't in the BO as much as she was. She knows how the BO handles stuff, and she probably also knew that Akemi tried to free her. So she is indirectly also responsible for her death.
Yes, but what she was trying to make wasn't
a poison. We know that APTX wasn't originally intended to be one, but in the process of reaching its true purpose, whatever that may be, test results found that it was an effective poison. So the BO used it as one. This likely wasn't something Haibara told them to do, as I believe, although I can't recall exactly where, Haibara says that she detested that they used it as a poison. But even after they started using it as a poison, it doesn't seem that the research she continued on was to make it a more effective poison, but to continue trying to achieve the originally desired purpose. I do see what you're saying about that particular case, but I can also see why Haibara wouldn't forgive him. He had other ways out. Divorce. Possibly talking to his wife like a normal human being. Her only options were work on APTX (can't really say how bad of an option that is, since we don't know its true intent) or die.
As for Akemi, I doubt Haibara knew that Akemi was trying to free her. Like you said, Haibara knows the BO, and she also loves her sister, so there's no way that she would have let Akemi even try, especially because she knows how important she is to the BO. Plus, she stated that the reason she refused to work was that she "demanded to know the reason behind her sister's death," but if she knew why she died from the start I don't think she would have phrased it like that.
I remembered reading that she knew of Akemi's plan somewhere. But maybe that's just a mistake on my part. Can't seem to find it D:
But I guess it's right that she wanted an explanation. So she probably didn't know.
Still I think she noticed Akemi's behavior, since she also seemed to know Rye and that he was Akemi's boyfriend. And she certainly knew he was in the BO (since Akai used the sisters to get into the BO in the first place). Meaning that Akemi got deeper into the BO. She also was in contact with Akemi, at least there was a scene where they were talking together somewhere.
Still, she was a prodigy in her studies and tried to finish the work that her parents did.
You wouldn't get so far when you weren't ambitious or had an aim too. Considering she's smart, she could just act as if she failed the classes and take much longer till she finishes her studies and then actually get's to a laboratory.
And she's a biochemist, a prodigy. She should know it could act as a poison. And she was long enough in the BO to know they most likely will use it for killing too.
Especially since medicine always have side effects.
So her not being able to forgive that guy seems just strange. Since she herself should know best how it is to be in a desperate situation and trying to flee from such hardships.
Of course, it's possible she could not be able to forgive that guy because she wouldn't be able to forgive herself if she hurt someone she loved or cared for. Projecting herself onto him kind of. But that's even more annoying then. Because with her suicidal behaviour and not sharing information she's just hurting and risking the lives of the people she cares for.
@Prof: What Pmofmalasia. Wasn't anything about forgiving Gin or Vermouth O_o
Just reread the scene where Haibara get's introduced. She does say she didn't want to make a poison in the first place. But strangely, she also says that she started to dislike the Organization after they used her drug on humans and especially after they killed her sister. Does that mean she didn't mind the Organizations evildoing before? O_o She would have known that it's a dangerous Organization. Or is it just a strange translation?
But it wouldn't be so strange for her to accept the Organization, since she was born into it...
But then it's even stranger that she can't forgive that once husband. Maybe her character was modified a lot...
Chapter 179 page 11 Haibara says: "To take me out of the organization, my sister sister was deliberately involved in the Organization's activities."
So she did know about Akemi's plan :V