Nyarl wrote:Quasi solved? She got the culprit, and almost all of the explanation. The only thing she needed was proof, and Shin'ichi only gave her a hint about how to get it, he didn't tell her how, she got it herself. The only reason it doesn't prove anything to you is your entrenched bias.
If anyone's biased here, it's you. After all, you're the one who voted for Ran even though you admitted yourself that Gin's smarter.
And Ran couldn't have solved that simple case without Shinichi's help, no matter how small it was.
So I maintain what I said, she quasi
Nyarl wrote:I actually rated Gin and Haibara higher than Ran in my comparisons, by the way. Ran is just not as stupid as people keep claiming. The evidence is pretty strong if you actually pay attention to it.
She's not stupid, I agree with you, but she's not smart either. If anything, she's average. Although her naiveness makes her seem below average sometimes..
Nyarl wrote:How is seeing through Conan in the 7th story with him "slow"? If anything, she's a bit crazy for even being able to think that way. (Agasa's natural law breaking inventions give her some excuse, though.)
She should have seen through him right after meeting him. She used to hang out with him all the time when they were young. Isn't he supposed to have the same face? Her reaction should have been "shocked by the stricking resemblance" then "realizing Shinichi's shrunk, probably by one of Agasa's crazy inventions, especially that Agasa was there".
Nyarl wrote:You're too busy dismissing stuff out of hand to pay attention to what's actually been argued.
Back at you, actually.
Nyarl wrote:Here's another awesome example of bias. [spoiler]Haibara thought an awful lot, but in the end, she didn't even get Kid's identity. She gets credit for being a detective when she resolves nothing but Ran only gets handwaved as "quasi solving" a case.[/spoiler] And, of course, Ran isn't allowed to have the non-competitive disinterested excuse, either...
Of course she isn't. How many times did we see Ran thinking about Shinichi and what he would do in such situation, trying to act like him and getting to know the same feeling of satisfaction/victory that he gets after solving a case? She obviously can't have the same excuse as Haibara. Forget about your "entrenched bias" a moment and remember that Ran actually tries
to solve cases, Haibara doesn't. She just doesn't seem interested. She only feels the need to do so when Conan's not around, because she has to
. And even then, when Conan's around once again, she'd stop and let him do his job.
And of course Aoyama won't let Haibara (or anyone else, for that matter) fully solve a KID case and find out about his identity. That's Conan's job.
So the fact that Haibara was the detective during a KID case, even without getting KID's identity, still outweighs the case Ran quasi-solved. And don't forget that Aoyama rarely gives Haibara a chance. He gave Ran far more chances and I believe he'll give her other chances in the future because he still has things to prove about her; as for Haibara, it's already crystal clear that's she's very smart.
Nyarl wrote:I doubt Gin is on Akai's level. Akai did very well infiltrating the Org. and luring Gin into a trap until Camel ruined it, and it looks like he pulled off another trick with Kir that had Gin fooled for a while at least. Gin is very smart, but don't let his natural suspicion/paranoia being coincidentally right fool you into thinking he's smarter than he really is.
[spoiler=not yet animated stuff touched on]Bourbon and Okiya can both parallel Shin'ichi's thinking. They are probably close to being equals, but Conan did better than Akai at a couple of points in Red vs. Black, so depending on who is an alter ego of whom, I'm rating Conan higher than all three by a touch.[/spoiler]
You're not giving Gin any credits here. Akai was able to fool Gin and infiltrate the organization because he was helped by his comrades. And if he really pulled a trick with Kir, once again it would be "Akai-AND-Kir
". If anything, Gin is smarter than Akai because he always seems to find out about his tricks. The only way for Akai to win is to team up with Conan, which he probably did if Akai=Okiya.
[spoiler=In reply to the spoiled part]While I agree that Okiya can parallel Shinichi's thinking, probably even more than Heiji, if you ask me,
I don't know about Bourbon. We haven't seen him, we don't know anything about him, and of course we don't know if Bourbon=Okiya. So how can you assume that Bourbon can parallel Shinichi's thinking?[/spoiler]