Gin vs. Ran: Who is smarter?

[xGinx]

[....] She was a slowpoke. [....]

LOL xD

[randompi314159]

Wow, this topic grew a lot more than I expected.

Revised list so far...
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi
Tier 1.1: Kaito Kid, Heiji (tier 1 and 1.1 have only has a slight edge on tier 2),
Tier 2: Akai/Subaru, Gin
Tier 3: Eri, Vermouth (they notice more details than the chars in tier 4)
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, Yokomizo Juugo
Tier 4≤x≤5: Kogoro when Serious (he seems to fluctuate a bit)
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango
Tier 6: Vodka, Ran, Kazuha, Agasa (only because he doesn't notice many details), maybe Yokomizo Sango,
Tier 6.5: Kogoro most of the time
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko

characters to place: Yukiko, Eisuke,

Yeah, I agree with most of the list, though I'd need to think it over a bit more. I don't know where Yukiko would go, as I'm assuming this is deductive intelligence, though I might place Eisuke somewhere between 4 or 5 maybe. He's pretty intelligent himself, despite his appearance. I'm also a Ran fan and I voted for Gin. In terms of overall intelligence, I'd go with Gin partly because he's most likely way older than her and has more experience and other things similar to that. Though if it was about figuring out Conan's identity, I'd go with Ran, because she has known him longer and had suspicion before, she's just doubtful and thus helps with the Shinichi fooling her thing. Plus Gin, like everyone else has said and what he has said himself, he doesn't remember who he kills and he hasn't exactly met with Conan face-to-face before.

[dilbertschalter]

Wow, this topic grew a lot more than I expected.

Revised list so far...
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi
Tier 1.1: Kaito Kid, Heiji (tier 1 and 1.1 have only has a slight edge on tier 2),
Tier 2: Akai/Subaru, Gin
Tier 3: Eri, Vermouth (they notice more details than the chars in tier 4)
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, Yokomizo Juugo
Tier 4≤x≤5: Kogoro when Serious (he seems to fluctuate a bit)
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango
Tier 6: Vodka, Ran, Kazuha, Agasa (only because he doesn't notice many details), maybe Yokomizo Sango,
Tier 6.5: Kogoro most of the time
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko

characters to place: Yukiko, Eisuke,

Yeah, I agree with most of the list, though I'd need to think it over a bit more. I don't know where Yukiko would go, as I'm assuming this is deductive intelligence, though I might place Eisuke somewhere between 4 or 5 maybe. He's pretty intelligent himself, despite his appearance. I'm also a Ran fan and I voted for Gin. In terms of overall intelligence, I'd go with Gin partly because he's most likely way older than her and has more experience and other things similar to that. Though if it was about figuring out Conan's identity, I'd go with Ran, because she has known him longer and had suspicion before, she's just doubtful and thus helps with the Shinichi fooling her thing. Plus Gin, like everyone else has said and what he has said himself, he doesn't remember who he kills and he hasn't exactly met with Conan face-to-face before.

Eisuke figured out that Conan=Shinichi, and he did so without being knocked out like Heiji. He's pretty good.

[soratothamax]

Gin by far...

Ran, of course. Gin couldn't have guessed Conan's PIN password 8)

It was Shinichi's phone wasn't it?

And I'm sure it was such a test of her Intelligenceto figure out that SHERLOCK HOLMES FREAK's pin

How is Gin smarter "by far"? Not many characters solve cases without Conan's help or can parallel his thinking. Ran was one of them, so she's actually ahead of Haibara in practice (no, looking for a pattern on a map or recognizing the gender of a corpse aren't nearly as impressive as a multi-step deduction). Only reason I didn't put Ran ahead of Haibara was the same reason I put Eri ahead of Ran, back story asserted intelligence (no Harvard scholarships or wonder drug research for Ran yet).

so the murder case Haibara solved in vol 2o-21 is nothing compared to the case of stealing food that Ran solved?great

Every road takes us to Ran vs Haibara war

you read my mind...

Okay, all I can say is that this is difficult....

I think Gin could figure it out fast, especially with more knowledge about the BO and it's science. If he found out even the slightest detail about that pill, he could figure it out. And if Conan even makes the slightest wrong move in Gin's presence, he's done. But Gin has so many people to kill, to pin point and remember one teenage kid is not something he would easily bring back to his mind.....unless his memory is super sharp, which it just might be.....Also, Conan would have to go after Gin for Gin to get any suspicions. Gin isn't after Conan unless Conan tries to bust Gin in some case, then Gin starts getting suspicious....but Gin probably can half remember the dude's name...then again, if anyone is around and suspects the BO Gin will kill them anyway.

However, since Ran is most curious about Shinichi's whereabouts, she might search harder than Gin, and ultimately find something on him. She is actually a person who would pursue someone she loves out of curiosity. She is also living with Conan, so he has to be extra careful about leaving his things everywhere, and where he talks on the phone, and what cases and with whom he discusses cases with. If he makes any slight wrong moves, Ran will get suspicious, which is more than likely to happen more often than Conan going toe-to-toe with Gin. Ran isn't as busy as Gin, and would have plenty of time to search. However, Ran is too blinded by her love and too easily appeased by Shinichi's "reassurance" that he's not Conan. And Shinichi has tricked her one too many times.

Gin isn't so easily fooled. I have a feeling Conan just gets lucky in situations with Gin. Gin is quick, but the man has got other fish to fry. Ran is easily appeased, but heck Shinichi might easily tell her himself. Sometimes he wants too.....so Ran might not even have to use her brain at all...

[Detective Prince]

@Nyarl actually I said "some" highschool girl meaning a regular, non unique, everyday highschooler.

Shinichi is far from that..

But ofcourse here comes the arguement that Ran is unique and not just some highschool girl...but she is very much that

[soratothamax]

@Nyarl actually I said "some" highschool girl meaning a regular, non unique, everyday highschooler.

Shinichi is far from that..

But ofcourse here comes the arguement that Ran is unique and nor just some highschool girl...but she is very much that

And you never even mention the "A" or "S" word...

[Detective Prince]

@Nyarl actually I said "some" highschool girl meaning a regular, non unique, everyday highschooler.

Shinichi is far from that..

But ofcourse here comes the arguement that Ran is unique and nor just some highschool girl...but she is very much that

And you never even mention the "A" or "S" word...

Ai/Shiho ?

[Nyarl]

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Revised list so far...
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi
Tier 1.1: Kaito Kid, Heiji (tier 1 and 1.1 have only has a slight edge on tier 2),
Tier 2: Akai/Subaru, Gin
Tier 3: Eri, Vermouth (they notice more details than the chars in tier 4)
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, Yokomizo Juugo
Tier 4≤x≤5: Kogoro when Serious (he seems to fluctuate a bit)
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango
Tier 6: Vodka, Ran, Kazuha, Agasa (only because he doesn't notice many details), maybe Yokomizo Sango,
Tier 6.5: Kogoro most of the time
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko

characters to place: Yukiko, Eisuke,

Takagi is smarter than Megure. He solved the A plot of a case which Haibara solved the B plot (Love Story 3), though it was a pretty obvious name puzzle (but it took an even longer time for Conan to figure it out). He can usually follow Conan's not-trying-to-sound-dumb-but-not-Sleeping-Kogoro-level-explication, not always, but more often than Megure. He's even thought ahead of usually-worried-about-suicide Conan and anticipated a suicide attempt (Love Story 7) while an attempted murderess gave an extremely hypocritical rant to victims not interested in seeing the culprit punished. He's correctly gainsaid a Megure theory with a factual observation (ugh, can't remember, probably a love story case again... and it might have been Shiratori he corrected). (Might be worth splitting Love Story Takagi and Megure's bitch Takagi into separate listings. Megure's bitch being Megure's level or even lower while Love Story Takagi is on Sato's level.)

Megure is just dumb (heh, in universe that's still probably 100-115 IQ at least). About the only good moment he's had in the whole manga is knowing what Go stones sound like. Even Shiratori has done better recently. Characters like Sato, Takagi, Ran, and Kogoro have a better record of following Conan's hints without Conan giving up and needing to use a puppet show. Megure isn't as stupid as Yamamura, but he's close to bottom rung. No way Ran, who has “pseudo solvedâ€

[soratothamax]

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Revised list so far...
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi
Tier 1.1: Kaito Kid, Heiji (tier 1 and 1.1 have only has a slight edge on tier 2),
Tier 2: Akai/Subaru, Gin
Tier 3: Eri, Vermouth (they notice more details than the chars in tier 4)
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, Yokomizo Juugo
Tier 4≤x≤5: Kogoro when Serious (he seems to fluctuate a bit)
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango
Tier 6: Vodka, Ran, Kazuha, Agasa (only because he doesn't notice many details), maybe Yokomizo Sango,
Tier 6.5: Kogoro most of the time
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko

characters to place: Yukiko, Eisuke,

Takagi is smarter than Megure. He solved the A plot of a case which Haibara solved the B plot (Love Story 3), though it was a pretty obvious name puzzle (but it took an even longer time for Conan to figure it out). He can usually follow Conan's not-trying-to-sound-dumb-but-not-Sleeping-Kogoro-level-explication, not always, but more often than Megure. He's even thought ahead of usually-worried-about-suicide Conan and anticipated a suicide attempt (Love Story 7) while an attempted murderess gave an extremely hypocritical rant to victims not interested in seeing the culprit punished. He's correctly gainsaid a Megure theory with a factual observation (ugh, can't remember, probably a love story case again... and it might have been Shiratori he corrected). (Might be worth splitting Love Story Takagi and Megure's bitch Takagi into separate listings. Megure's bitch being Megure's level or even lower while Love Story Takagi is on Sato's level.)

Megure is just dumb (heh, in universe that's still probably 100-115 IQ at least). About the only good moment he's had in the whole manga is knowing what Go stones sound like. Even Shiratori has done better recently. Characters like Sato, Takagi, Ran, and Kogoro have a better record of following Conan's hints without Conan giving up and needing to use a puppet show. Megure isn't as stupid as Yamamura, but he's close to bottom rung. No way Ran, who has “pseudo solvedâ€

[Detective Prince]

@Nyarl actually I said "some" highschool girl meaning a regular, non unique, everyday highschooler.

Shinichi is far from that..

But ofcourse here comes the arguement that Ran is unique and nor just some highschool girl...but she is very much that

Naked assertion oblivious to evidence and argument. The Ran bashing "S"/"H"/"A" idolizing echo chamber is impervious to reason.

What the hell did you just say...

[soratothamax]

no, she was fooled by the glasses...yeah...

*opens mouth* *closes mouth*

Okay, I can't argue against the Clark Kent effect. Okay, she needed time to see the resemblance. She was a slowpoke.

No. She was easily/naïvely fooled by the glasses which didn't even have lenses in them.

Okay, okay, she was fooled like the rest of the DC world.

Now that everyone knows how incredibly smart he is, I don't think it'll be hard to convince them.
And the fact that the BO checked his house, and twice, only proves that Gin wasn't reckless by leaving him there; because he knew they were going to check the deaths anyway.

Yeah, now. He could have convinced he police even earlier, but in the manga he and Haibara made clear why the police isn't/shouldn't be involved in this whole thing yet.

It's like, imagine this: You witness a murder, see the murderer who shoots at you after realizing you were there. He sees that you get shot and assumes you'll die. Luckily you survive. After that the murderer checks your house whether you are still alive or not. It's totally pointless! Okay, not exactly pointless, because what Chekhov said, but you know, by the time you have already given the information of the murderer away.
Am I the only one, who

What's funny is I didn't see Eisuke on the top of the list....and he is the only one who solved that Conan was really Shinichi in one episode (and he's not even related to Shinichi!)....

Spoiler:

EisukexRan ftw  I'm a huge fan of that pairing 

[randompi314159]

Yep, Eisuke could be pretty good, if they decide to return him to the story somehow.

[soratothamax]

I think the reason they won't bring him back is because there are not that many fans of him!  But I think he's awesome! 

[kkslider5552000]

I think the reason they won't bring him back is because there are not that many fans of him!  :'( But I think he's awesome!  

There are presumably not many fans of him because his arc only stopped sucking when they started focusing on his family instead of "LOL IS EISUKE EVILZ?!11!11!"

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the irony of this considering my role as Okiya Subaru's number 1 fan is ironic.

Although I don't think Perpetually Sad Amnesia Akai and Okiya Subaru are family members. That would be retarded.

[soratothamax]

I think the reason they won't bring him back is because there are not that many fans of him!  But I think he's awesome!   :D

There are presumably not many fans of him because his arc only stopped sucking when they started focusing on his family instead of "LOL IS EISUKE EVILZ?!11!11!"

you got a point. I hate when they go off on the deep end with assumptions, when majority of the time they aren't right (like Eisuke is evil blah blah blah). 

yea, but there seriously needs to be some more BO files. I'm ready for the story!