I don´t think that Gin is more smarter that Ran


seems like some people here like to compare Ran with Haibara whenever we talk about Ran's smartnessRan-Fan wrote: Please don´t turn this in another Haibara vs Ran fight. This is about Ran and Gin. RAN AND GIN.![]()
Why is it so difficult to believe Ran is actually smarter from an IQ standpoint? That she can solve a mystery Jodie couldn't, and has been on the right track several times otherwise, puts her ahead of most of the cops, way ahead of her father, and very close to Gin's level, as shown in story. Give her the experience of age Gin has and she'd probably be smarter. Just dismissing the idea out of hand smacks of entrenched bias.\Girl19 wrote: It's obvious that the title of this thread should be "Gin vs. Ran: Who is your favorite?", because 11 people so far have voted for their favorite character, and not for whom they really think is the smartest. Typical from the Ran fans, sadly.
Is that the Gin who knows full well a child planted the traps for Vodka around Itakura's disk, or the Gin who decided it was silly to check lockers because only a child could fit in them after checking some already? The former one is probably smarter than Ran, that latter, certainly not "hands down". It's not like there's no evidence to compare so it's a matter of guessing and opinion.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I someone wants to consider different kinds of intelligence, that's one thing, but if it comes down to who would solve a fair typical DC mystery faster and more completely there isn't any question that Gin would beat Ran hands down. Gin would beat Haibara too.
You're one of the very few exceptions.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Oi, I like Ran and I still voted for Gin. Not everyone who likes Ran is obsessed.Girl19 wrote: It's obvious that the title of this thread should be "Gin vs. Ran: Who is your favorite?", because 11 people so far have voted for their favorite character, and not for whom they really think is the smartest. Typical from the Ran fans, sadly.
Hmm.. I have to admit I'm not sure myself who is the smartest, Gin or Haibara.. Now THAT would be a real discussion, where both sides need solid proofs.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Gin would beat Haibara too.
Of course, but everyone knows this has nothing to do with smartness.AICHAN wrote: then i read the explanation of the title,and if we compare Ran and Gin about who'll discover conan's identity,Ran is the one i choose,mostly because Gin doesn't remember people he kills,while Ran knows Shinichi for a long time![]()
Well, Jodie isn't that smart herself to be used as a smartness-scale.Nyarl wrote: Why is it so difficult to believe Ran is actually smarter from an IQ standpoint? That she can solve a mystery Jodie couldn't..
I absolutely do not agree, but since you seem to think she's "very close to Gin's level", then why did you vote for Ran as being smarter than Gin? That is assuming you voted for her, which seems obvious from your replies.Nyarl wrote: ..and has been on the right track several times otherwise, puts her ahead of most of the cops, way ahead of her father, and very close to Gin's level, as shown in story.
Give Ran Shinichi's experience and growing-up conditions and she'd probably be smarter.Nyarl wrote: Give her the experience of age Gin has and she'd probably be smarter. Just dismissing the idea out of hand smacks of entrenched bias.\
Of course both Gins are smarter than Ran, "hands down". Seriously, smartness is not a matter of opinions/guessing, it's a matter of facts.Nyarl wrote: Is that the Gin who knows full well a child planted the traps for Vodka around Itakura's disk, or the Gin who decided it was silly to check lockers because only a child could fit in them after checking some already? The former one is probably smarter than Ran, that latter, certainly not "hands down". It's not like there's no evidence to compare so it's a matter of guessing and opinion.
If there is entrenched bias, I think it runs the other way in your case... I had a post somewhere where I laid out all the places where Gin demonstrated he was a good detective, but I can't find it for now. Ran doesn't think like a detective most of the time and misses a lot of the necessary details. When she does think like a detective, Ran doesn't have the experience or sharpness Gin does.Nyarl wrote: Why is it so difficult to believe Ran is actually smarter from an IQ standpoint? That she can solve a mystery Jodie couldn't, and has been on the right track several times otherwise, puts her ahead of most of the cops, way ahead of her father, and very close to Gin's level, as shown in story. Give her the experience of age Gin has and she'd probably be smarter. Just dismissing the idea out of hand smacks of entrenched bias.\
Oi, you seriously wanted serious and deliberate answers for that question?Girl19 wrote: It's obvious that the title of this thread should be "Gin vs. Ran: Who is your favorite?", because 11 people so far have voted for their favorite character, and not for whom they really think is the smartest. Typical from the Ran fans, sadly.
Of course not, I'm just saying that it is impressive to accuse a kid for not being a kid for four times, it is interesting that she came to that conclusion 4 times already, while others couldn't do the math. You can exclude Vermouth & Heiji, the first one is obviously knows about the APTX and Heiji could technically blackmail him.Girl19 wrote:Misztina wrote: Ran. She has driven the best detective of Japan in the corner 4 times already!
Gin was aware of the fact that the drug was still an experimantal one and was made for other purposes originally. He couldn't be therefore 100% sure whether Shinichi would actually die or not. He said himself that Shinichi is the guinea pig for this.Girl19 wrote:I don't see how running away after giving someone a poisonous drug while the police is still nearby is stupid.Misztina wrote: And Gin was stupid for running away in episode 1, without being 100% sure that Shinichi died.
Oh wait, maybe Gin should have stayed there until the police comes and puts him in jail. Then he'd be considered smart?![]()
What?!?! This has nothing to do with hating ran and everything to do with Gin obivously being smarter than her.kholoudsafir wrote: I wish that Ai fans are like AICHAN can be objective and not choosing Gin just because they hate Ran![]()
How dare you put Haibara on the same level as Kogoro!!!Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: If we are doing character intelligence regarding solving mysteries, I'd roughly classify the main recurring chars like this. The order within a tier is random and there is some variance within a tier, btw.
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi, Kaito Kid (tier 1 has only has a slight edge on tier 2), Heiji
Tier 2: Akai/Subaru, Gin, maybe Eri,
Tier 3: Maybe Eri, Vermouth (they notice more details than the chars in tier 4)
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, maybe Kogoro when Serious, Yokomizo Juugo
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango, maybe Kogoro when Serious, Eisuke?, Yukiko
Tier 6: Vodka?, maybe Yokomizo Sango, Kogoro most of the time, Ran most of the time, Kazuha, Agasa (only because he don't notice many details)
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko
You not seeing why it's difficult to think that some highschool girl is smarter then one of a large dark organization's executives is what is mind bogglingNyarl wrote: Why is it so difficult to believe Ran is actually smarter from an IQ standpoint? That she can solve a mystery Jodie couldn't, and has been on the right track several times otherwise, puts her ahead of most of the cops, way ahead of her father, and very close to Gin's level, as shown in story. Give her the experience of age Gin has and she'd probably be smarter. Just dismissing the idea out of hand smacks of entrenched bias.\
Lol yes, although I am happily contributing to said seriousness.conia wrote: *sigh* This thread became serious *sigh*
Haibara (until now) solved only one case (if you call what their teacher did a "case"). Kogoro however, succeeded on his own to solve numerous cases when he was serious.Detective Prince wrote: How dare you put Haibara on the same level as Kogoro!!!
I don't agree with some of those (see changes made).Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: If we are doing character intelligence regarding solving mysteries, I'd roughly classify the main recurring chars like this. The order within a tier is random and there is some variance within a tier, btw.
Tier 0: Kudo Yusaku
Tier 1: Kudo Shinichi, Kaito Kid, Heiji
Tier 2: Akai, Subaru, Gin, maybe Eri, maybe Haibara
Tier 3: Maybe Eri, Vermouth, maybe Haibara, Yukiko
Tier 4: Sato, Haibara, Jodie, maybe Kogoro when Serious, Yokomizo Juugo, Shiratori
Tier 5: Takagi, Megure, Shiratori, maybe Yokomizo Sango, maybe Kogoro when Serious, Eisuke, Yukiko
Tier 6: Vodka, maybe Yokomizo Sango, Kogoro most of the time, Ran most of the time, Kazuha, Agasa, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko
Tier 7: Yamamura, Shounen Tantei, Sonoko, Kogoro most of the time, Ran most of the time, Kazuha
No, it's not true. Or actually that's the problem.. the title's about smartness and the first post's about discovering Shinichi's identity which doesn't rely on smartness.kholoudsafir wrote: like AICHAN said, I chose Ran, because it is about finding out about Conan/Shinishi.
If it's about who's going to discover Shinchi's identity, I would vote for Ran not because she's smarter (obviously), but because she's the one who knows Shinichi too well. Gin said he doesn't remember the faces of those he killed.kholoudsafir wrote: @ Girl19, I am an exception too, did not choose Ran because I am a fan, but just because of this particular area, I thought she has a better chance.
LOL, so is this a counter-attack because I said the Ran fans are being biased for voting for Ran just because it's their favorite characters, or do you seriously think we don't have enough reasons to vote for Gin-sama?kholoudsafir wrote: I wish that Ai fans are like AICHAN can be objective and not choosing Gin just because they hate Ran, but if you are like Chekhov and you have other reasons for choosing Gin,it's a different story
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I don't think I'm the one who's kidding herself here.Misztina wrote: Oi, you seriously wanted serious and deliberate answers for that question?Don't kid yourself. XD
It's not impressive at all. Actually, many people tend to think she's too stupid for not having doubts about his identity way earlier. Knowing how well she knows him, she's actually slow.Misztina wrote: Of course not, I'm just saying that it is impressive to accuse a kid for not being a kid for four times, it is interesting that she came to that conclusion 4 times already, while others couldn't do the math. You can exclude Vermouth & Heiji, the first one is obviously knows about the APTX and Heiji could technically blackmail him.
If it were other characters, they would have been already convinced for the first time and never ever would have doubts.
Weren't various BO members sent to Shinichi's house to check if he's really dead or not?Misztina wrote: Gin was aware of the fact that the drug was still an experimantal one and was made for other purposes originally. He couldn't be therefore 100% sure whether Shinichi would actually die or not. He said himself that Shinichi is the guinea pig for this.
I think it is 1000x more risky to leave a detective brat, who has strong ties to the police lying there without knowing for sure that he is dead or not.
And althought the police was still on the scene they weren't looking for anyone, so the chance that they find Gin there in the following let's say 10 minutes were very low. Gin should have been more cautious about this.