Character Contest: Mouri Ran vs. Miyano Akemi

[Kleene Onigiri]

Haibara raises people from the dead...Haibara is Hades?

Well, there is the Ha in it.. *get's hit by mafia-round-16 players*

[AICHAN]

Well, I voted Ran, and I'm not annoyed by her

I like Akemi too. But somehow she is portrayed strangely.
She is shown to be smart. Like when she was hiding the taped for Haibara.
But then again, she was simply shot by Gin, and she didn't seem to have made any countermeasures against that O.o" Which makes her look kind of "dumb" :V And that's contradicting.
Tho, the it was at a early stage where akemi was killed. So maybe gosho didn't gave much thought about it.

well,I don't think she was dumb,Gin is really smart(like Conan and Akai),he always have plans when it comes to kill somebody
Akemi is smart,but alone she can't do anything against them,I don't know what countermeasure would have saved her life 
Ran have many contradictions in her personality,which are more visible (she's strong but she cries a lot,she's nice but can be aggressive too...)

I think Gosho did a good job with Akemi,I like the way she's portrayed(she looks like my older sister^^)
too bad she's dead

Well, I thought she was "not so smart" portrayed in the first chapter where she appeared (and also died). Like asking Gin "you gave me those "sleeping pills" and the giant died, why?" Or something similar... like, "Oh God! You guys kill people?!". Well, that's what I mean with her being portrayed "stupid". I do like Akemi too, and I like how she is shown later Just not the chapter where she died :V Since it doesn't fit with the other times she was shown imo.


Don't worry parkur, Haibara will revive the dead ;P *pats parkur*

hmmm,I still think that her reactions wasn't stupid in Vol1,it wasn't contradicting for me...especially after the way she fooled Conan during that case.
I'm more annoyed by the way Gosho is portraying Ran,which isn't realistic for me...
I guess it's just a personal feeling...

anyway,Haibara reviving her sister....good idea^^

[Dus]

Akemi probably knew that the BO kill people, she just didn't expect them to kill their own members. That hardly means she's stupid.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Akemi probably knew that the BO kill people, she just didn't expect them to kill their own members. That hardly means she's stupid.

Well, it's not that she's stupid, just is portrayed like that in that chapter. You know, asking Gin why he gave her "deadly sleeping pills" and on the other hand, Akemi is shown later that she knows that the Organization is evil and could do such things, even to their own members :V

I know it's asked so the reader knows too But that's why I don't like the way she's shown in that one chapter where she dies She is like the "silly girl that just get's killed"

[Dus]

This might have been intentional to a degree, to contrast her sister's cynical outlook.

[Akonyl]

it may have also been a case of "well, it doesn't matter how I portray her, I'll probably stop this pretty quickly, like with MK" when he was writing that chapter, if he didn't think/wasn't sure if Conan was gonna go on long enough to get to any actual story.

[Kleene Onigiri]

it may have also been a case of "well, it doesn't matter how I portray her, I'll probably stop this pretty quickly, like with MK" when he was writing that chapter, if he didn't think/wasn't sure if Conan was gonna go on long enough to get to any actual story.

True. That chapter was early and was still when gosho thought his manga won't be so long XD

[Nyarl]

Take out a few members of a group for any one given case (or combine some of the groups) and mix and match the cops involved and you get pretty much every Detective Conan case that has been written. "Overexposure" as you put it is pretty much unavoidable given this case setup style. I don't mind it because the focus of the case is usually pretty varied.

See the thing is, you use "unavoidable" as an excuse, while I see that as the problem. Most characters (even ones I like) are very "one act" and with a show this long, being a character always used hurts a lot. Next, you mention how groups 3/4 are almost always with group 1 (and maybe group 2), so that again only adds to her exposure in the show. Then you have cases where she really doesn't need to be, but is still stuck in, which in you mind just reads as "too much".

It's unavoidable because Conan is a kid. He isn't supposed to be out alone, so he's with other kids or his guardians. It's the same in real life. The only way to remedy this problem is to add another group in. If it's more kids, then you simply have db gang 2, and why would Conan hang out with another group of teens/adults? We already have the friendly rival (Heiji). It would be difficult to create another group that Conan could be a part of because of his condition.

Even Ran defenders can't giver her credit for being on the right track in the color puzzle or solving a case. Pffft, this fandom just sucks nowadays.

Oh, and overexposed Ran was crying about being shut out of an important part of an important person's (to her's) life. What kind of emotionless zombies wouldn't feel bad their old friends no longer has time to share hobbies and interests, or seem to no longer to care to? Now I know Ai shippers aren't really emotionless zombies, but they are just kneejerkers not interested in even trying to empathize with the "crybaby".

Oh, and if you don't want my flames, you could always delete my account.... {off to flag delete again}

[Jd-]

{off to flag delete again}

Spoiler:

If it's really that bad... you only have to demonstrate some self-restraint and not subject yourself to it. If you really think doing something as immature as "flaming" others in order to get your account deleted (and in turn justify your actions) will be successful, you're in for a surprise.

In other words:

Spoiler:

[AICHAN]

Oh, and overexposed Ran was crying about being shut out of an important part of an important person's (to her's) life. What kind of emotionless zombies wouldn't feel bad their old friends no longer has time to share hobbies and interests, or seem to no longer to care to? Now I know Ai shippers aren't really emotionless zombies, but they are just kneejerkers not interested in even trying to empathize with the "crybaby".

great...now you're insulting Ai fans because they don't appreciate your favorite character ...sorry,I already tried to empathize with Ran,but I don't feel anything when I see her crying in the recent cases...

I empathize with many others characters,but with Ran,I have the feeling Gosho forces us to have pity for her, that's why I don't feel anything when Ran's crying... (and I still think her situation isn't as sad as you said)

I'm just tired with her attitude after10 years reading DC... so I don't think I'm emotionless but I'm not a fan of the way Gosho keeps portraying Ran...and most Ai fans thinks the same

btw,not only Ai shippers are bothered by Ran crying scenes

[ProfParanoia]

Ran was crying about being shut out of an important part of an important person's (to her's) life. What kind of emotionless zombies wouldn't feel bad their old friends no longer has time to share hobbies and interests, or seem to no longer to care to?

You mean have a thriving/successful career and grow up? He should be ashamed. Especially since her never calls her minus all those times he calls her or she calls him.

[Nyarl]

Ran was crying about being shut out of an important part of an important person's (to her's) life. What kind of emotionless zombies wouldn't feel bad their old friends no longer has time to share hobbies and interests, or seem to no longer to care to?

You mean have a thriving/successful career and grow up? He should be ashamed. Especially since her never calls her minus all those times he calls her or she calls him.

He was brushing her off when she was trying to talk about her Holmes related experiences in London. If she can't even talk about his interests without being brushed off then there's a bigger problem with the relationship than him having a "career". But I should know better than to try to reason with anti-Ran brick walls...

[Nyarl]

If you really think doing something as immature as "flaming" others in order to get your account deleted (and in turn justify your actions) will be successful, you're in for a surprise.

Cool, I can troll with impunity.

BTW, I'd like the peanut gallery to compare my lack of self-control (a post every few months, if now laced with unrepentant hostility) with the non-stop "I want B.O./Ai back-story/no more boring cases" whining in places like the spoiler chat box. For ef's sake, find a hobby you can actually enjoy! (Hmm... censor dodge fail. Don't try to post in unicode Gothic, kids...)

[Jd-]

Cool, I can troll with impunity.

If you are content that your recent output here is adequate representation of your own character, by all means.

Of course, that also doesn't mean your posts won't be edited or deleted outright. I don't know if you have personal troubles you are trying to work through as of late, but this hardly seems the venue to remedy anything you may be going through (and this is certainly not the manner you should be engaging others).

The extent of your puerility is yours to define. Enjoy~

[Nyarl]

I don't know if you have personal troubles you are trying to work through as of late, but this hardly seems the venue to remedy anything you may be going through (and this is certainly not the manner you should be engaging others).

LOL, presumptuous and pretentious. The folk I abuse are not interested in any real engagement and I clearly don't care what you think I ought do (it's no surprise you raise personal taste driven oughts to the objective levels of shoulds).