Ocelot wrote:not to mention that detective conan also did a better job at presenting you with a moral dilemma(episode 345) :)
Bro, I love Conan and I love Death Note, but you cannot be serious with that statement. Conan is a series almost entirely void of any sort of questions in regards to ambiguous instances of morality and ethics, whereas Death Note is a series centered entirely upon that. Conan is very linear with its logic and isn't even as deep as Holmes (which, admittedly, did not delve into this in any shocking manner, but there were moments of Holmes bending, ignoring, and breaking the law outright in favor of the "greater good"). It's a series aimed at youngsters and has no reason to ever remotely delve into anything of this sort, and that's fine.
Death Note, on the other hand, does ask you to choose a side. I think deeming it "disgusting" as you did in another post is missing the point entirely unless your threshold for that word is considerably lower than my own. If so, my apologies. (I'm not familiar with any major plotholes [especially in the first half], so if you wouldn't mind elaborating on that in a spoiler tag, that'd be great too.)
Death Note is a character study, to say the least. The motivations of the characters and the way they approach reaching their goal is ever-changing, dynamic, and--above all--gripping. Conan is a mystery series where there is virtually no ambiguity and no wavering personal conflicts outside of very, very few instances. The good-bad guys are still going to jail, but we're led to believe they'll serve less time because of the motive (after all, almost everyone in Conan as of late has an alibi that isn't so much a justification for murder but an understanding that no one debates with). It's very linear on a philosophical level, so you can't really compare the two and somehow say Conan is on top without admitting personal dislike and bias toward Death Note. That's my piece on it.
ranger wrote:If Kira did exist and he was killing off criminals left and right, I wouldn't object. Wars would be stopped, even if it was by a fear of Kira, there would still be peace. I personally wouldn't need to worry about being robbed/jumped/etc...corrupt politicians would shape up...
The best part about all that is we already have an all-judging Kira of our own that we've brought into existence. It has many incarnations, origins, and canons, but it pretty much always tends to preach good over evil... If only their influence was as obvious as Kira's, we may have something.
That said, Death Note was so well-paced that every turn of the story brought over new questions. If you agreed with Light in the beginning, did you later when his motives evolved in order to ensure his own self-preservation (which, in itself, was not entirely selfish in that he still wanted to create his New World)? Were you really still agreeing with Light's motives at that point? What about L putting those around him in the line of danger as experiments, and sacrificing a man on live television just to test his theory? (An interesting parallel comes up here, actually--this is someone that Light would have killed anyway in his prime [if he hadn't gone unreported, etc], and L made it happen. Sure, maybe he was on Death Row and was very near execution, but what if a judge had granted a stay? What if evidence came forward that exonerated him and it was too late? It would be L's fault regardless, even if he was striving for that greater good.) Seeing those differing perspectives and watching that constant clash of intellect of two similar but distinctly different characters--both on different sides of the law, both making choices for their own vision of the "greater good"--made for a hell of a ride, through and through, and it's something we have not and likely never will see in Conan.
Personally, I sided with Light right through the end (at least, until the end of the first half, when the series was still making sense). Villains are genuinely more interesting to me regardless, and especially in this case. The second half of the series is a mess, in my opinion, but the first half is some of the finest suspense entertainment in any form. Light had uncovered the secret to solemn law and was doing something that no one (outside of those who were paid to investigate it) was truly a vocal advocate against near the end. Crime practically no longer existed, and no right-minded person agrees with crime that hasn't already begotten crime. Reasoning out the means you would go to in order to attain that was entertaining--at least for me and so many others that have made it one of the most successful anime exports in recent years (especially once you discount all of those that have sword battles and gravity-defying fisticuffs as their primary plot points).
Once it became obvious what Kira was doing, you were no longer bound by natural contracts with the world nor held to an imaginary religious standard with no immediate effect (already being withholding here): if you killed someone, you were going to die. It was as simple as that, and should you kill someone, there was no forgiveness--you acted despite being aware of the consequences. Twisting the fabric of reality as we know it and showcasing its effect on society truly made the series shine. So many questions came out of the scenario, about what you would consent to in order to achieve peace, and just who deserved judgment, how many were sacrificed without knowing about this new world coming, and all of that.
And the best part? If you didn't agree with Light, you were on L's side, and you were still just as engaged as the rest of us. Absolutely phenomenal writing and character development, simple as that.
[spoiler]As for who is smarter, L or Conan, there's no real point in debating it, folks. Same with Poirot and Holmes--unless they exist in the same universe, you can't even begin to weigh them (even though Poirot was a portly fellow, harhar
). The characters are formed and revealed based solely on their environment, so unless they share an environment, their strengths and weaknesses will never, truly be of a comparable nature.[/spoiler]