Your Top 10 Favorite Anime/Manga Characters

Girl19 · Post by **Girl19** » December 6th, 2009, 6:33 pm

L is a great detective, but he's nothing compared to Conan/Shinichi.

I have my reasons. And I won't discuss.

CoolKid3 · Post by **CoolKid3** » December 6th, 2009, 7:53 pm

tanteiconan1603 wrote: Pretty nice for Haruhi Fujioka, she's so KAWAII!

Probably she's the most Kawaii!! in the anime world!!!

ranger wrote:
kyuuketsuki wrote:
Here is an interesting thought though.... Would Shinichi die, if Kira wrote "Edogawa Conan" in the book thinking of Conan's face. Or would he need to figure out that Conan is really Shinichi and write "Kudo Shinichi" in the notebook thinking of Shinichi's face in order to kill Conan... Or would he need to write "Kudo Shinichi" thinking of Conan's face.
To answer your question, he has to write kudo shinichi while thinking of either Conan or Shinichi's face. Conan's face is Shinichi when he is younger. Conan Edogawa is not a true name, aka, not a name you would see with the Shinigami eyes. He wouldn't need to figure out anything other than think of kudo and either his teenage or child face.

The DN requirements are (1) a name and (2) a face so I have to agree with this...

I dunno why the die-hard DN fans are so hyperactive when DN is compared with other series... I just saw a DN review in another forum wherein the thread became a DN vs Monster thread because the TS claimed that DN is the greatest anime ever... DN is good and my 2nd all-time favorite but after reading so many discussions about DN being a mediocre series, I'm kinda believing on that statement (but it's still my 2nd fav)... It's main theme is "absolute power corrupts" which has been the theme of other series as well... It was clearly shown all throughout the series... But DN's edge over the other series was the effective cliffhangers... However DN's ending was so predictable... But the psychological battle of L and Kira was the best I've ever witnessed...

caribou · Post by **caribou** » December 6th, 2009, 10:15 pm

(Although I know almost nothing about DN) Law doesn't always = Justice. I think justice is subjective, which is why some people might agree with Kira whereas others say that his 'justice' is corrupted. whereas the law is objective, so sometimes we think that it is enough to serve justice (e.g. if a murderer goes to jail) and other times it's not (e.g. if the murderer killed someone close to us). Anyway, I've only watched the Death Note movie but it looks quite fascinating... but I would say it's not comparable to DC at all, since it's not meant to be a 'realistic' detective series? :/ *...slowly shrinks away from the debate*

anyway, this list is probably the hardest, but I'll try:

1. Himura Kenshin (from Rurouni Kenshin) (sorry, I really love this series heh)
2. Fujioka Haruhi (from Ouran) (I like 'strong' females

)
3. Suoh Tamaki (from Ouran) (actually Ouran just has an abundance of lovable characters)
4. Kudo Shinichi/Kaito Kuroba (it's a tie... :S)
5. Sawako (from Kimi ni Todoke)
6. Takemoto (from Honey & Clover)
7. Mayura Daidouji (from Matantei Loki) (ahaha she's hilarious)
8. Shinichi Chiaki (from Nodame Cantabile)
9. Syaoran (from CCS)
10. ... I'll just throw in Ran here and pray for a good ass-kicking in the next File!

ssjup81 · Post by **ssjup81** » December 7th, 2009, 2:46 am

ranger wrote:Since we are on the topic...I'd just like to say, its interesting because the police force in DC is pretty much useless, but the police force in DN is actually pretty legit (with the exception of Matsuda)...While the FBI in DN suck massive cajones, getting wiped out TWICE (first by Kira, and then by Mello killing the FBI members in SPK) but the FBI/CIA in DC is incredibly competent.

I don't get how you can say that all of the DN police force was "legit" and then single out Matsuda. IMO, he was a good cop too. The thing is, he was the youngest of them, so he was more up-to-date with pop culture and all that stuff, thus, really getting into it (like how he knew about Misa), a bit naive, and was very open, but, when it came to doing his job, he could do it fine. It wasn't his fault that the rest of the force didn't give him many chances to actually show that trait or to even have a chance to shine.

Another show that comes to mind is the Monk series, which just ended this past Friday. The main cops of the show is police chief (older guy) and the other guy is young. One episode, he was going on about his new mp3 player and of all of its features. It was goofy of him to do that, but, once he had to do his job, he did so.

For the most part, this is always common in stories like that. The youngest or the most inexperienced member of the group is constantly underestimated by those around him/her. His character was also the one used to get us thinking about whether or not Kira was right or if L was. I also find it ironic how out of all the characters to use

Spoiler:

, that the author used Matsuda

Spoiler:

. The naive and so-called "incompetent" one.

In a way, Matsuda reminds me a little bit of Takagi (DC). He's one of the youngest ones on the force, but, he can easily come across as a bit bumbling at times, just like Matsuda. Of course we know that Takagi is a decent police officer when it comes to doing his actual job (but of course, due to the way DC is, the format has to be set up so that Conan solves the case). Personally, I hated how the other characters were towards Matsuda. He was just an optimistic, idealistic person. There was no need to rag on him, especially Aizawa.

Beastly · Post by **Beastly** » December 7th, 2009, 3:50 am

Here is an interesting thought though.... Would Shinichi die, if Kira wrote "Edogawa Conan" in the book thinking of Conan's face. Or would he need to figure out that Conan is really Shinichi and write "Kudo Shinichi" in the notebook thinking of Shinichi's face in order to kill Conan... Or would he need to write "Kudo Shinichi" thinking of Conan's face.

I'm not going to say which is better, DN or DC, simply for the sake of biased arguing.
I agree that DC and DN cannot be compared, but your statement regarding Shinichi getting killed is one reason why I believe L somewhat has an advantage over him. Shinichi is careless, and like you said, way too cocky.

I also believe with that.

To answer your question, he has to write kudo shinichi while thinking of either Conan or Shinichi's face. Conan's face is Shinichi when he is younger. Conan Edogawa is not a true name, aka, not a name you would see with the Shinigami eyes. He wouldn't need to figure out anything other than think of kudo and either his teenage or child face.

Did Death Note stated that you can use childhood pics? I just don't know about that. Conan Edogawa is like Hideki Ryuuga at some extent because he dont L at first. Also dont he have birth certificate as Conan? But i don't know maybe he does cause Birth Certificate as Conan is needed for school. But it's fictional hahah. I don't know but Kudou Shinichi is an answer that is better.

Also... one last thing... The fact that this guy... "L" is the goto guy for THE ENTIRE world is also bullshit. Here is why... Interpol, FBI, CIA, NSA, MI6, KGB, and any other governmental agency would NEVER EVER call a private person to do ANYTHING. EVER! That would ruin their pride. They believe their resources are enough to catch any criminal. Really, that aspect of DC is a bit irksome as well... the police would never take aid from a smart kid, or adult, unless they had a badge or a degree that said they were qualified to help. Like... if I, after graduation, stumbled onto a crime scene and made an observation, revealing I was a graduate of John Jay from their Forensic Science Criminalistics program, they would be more likely listen to me than some smart kid who has read a lot of detective novels, because I have something that says "Yes, I was trained and I know what is needed to do this job competently."

I don't understand your argument kyu...your pointing out the trivialness in L being the main player when it comes to the world's governmental agencies...but your also saying that the police will never consort to a kid for help in countless cases...where are you going with this?

Of course if you have solve some very good case. Maybe some of agencies will go to you. Although i dont know if FBI is some kind of arrogant. I just dont know we cant know it by watching fictional detective series. i don't know but them being full of pride is an hypothesis.

Yes both of these situations sound very fictional...but if you were to compare both of these situations, I'd have to say...L as the main detective sounds a lot more believable when compared to an entire city's police force taking advice from a 7 year old, while the officers simply only believe that he is just a "bright child".

Also as i have said we have the same opinion here. I think L is more intelligent than Conan. In alot of more ways. But if its deduction battle it will be Conan. Because he can interrogate all those people around. But L can't because he never been exposed in people around him. He got no social life before. He even pointed that Light is his first friend. But Conan can be friendly AS CONAN.

Since we are on the topic...I'd just like to say, its interesting because the police force in DC is pretty much useless, but the police force in DN is actually pretty legit (with the exception of Matsuda)...While the FBI in DN suck massive cajones, getting wiped out TWICE (first by Kira, and then by Mello killing the FBI members in SPK) but the FBI/CIA in DC is incredibly competent.

Yea. But didn't the police at DN didn't do anything they have been deceive by Light. Also i remember when L ask Raito on after the Tennis battle he said Do you know that when i ask them they come with that answer too slow.

Misztina · Post by **Misztina** » December 7th, 2009, 8:39 am

Woah. Nice Detective Conan vs. Death Note topic.

Here is my Top 10:

1. Kudou Shinichi (DC)
2. Harima Kenji (School Rumble) a very colourful, idiotic character, a great and stupid man XD
3. Onizuka (Great Teacher Onizuka) Cool, funny and sometimes disgusting. XD
4. Nami and Zorro (One Piece) I could enlist the entire Strawhat crew ^^" But they are the best.
5. Roy Mustand and Liza/Riza (Fullmetall Alchmist)
6. Tomo (Azumanga Daioh)
7. Minamoto and Sakaki (Zettai Karen Children)
8. Yagami Light and L (Death Note)
9. Jeanne (Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne)
10. Yuri Ishtar/Suzuki (Red River)

nanilola · Post by **nanilola** » December 8th, 2009, 1:06 am

WTF happened to this thread? There shoudn't even be a DC vs. DN debate. I have nothing against Death Note. In fact, I first watched it in 2006 as one of my first few animes even before DC. Then, I must've rewatched it twice within the last 3 years. That's how addictive it is.

L noted after surveillance that if Light is Kira, then he must've achieved God-like mentality (i.e. killing without batting an eye) because criminals still died when Light acted normally. I especially loved it when he thought to himself that it's ridiculous since no God requires a name to kill.
It's just that DC is mystery while DN is more of a thriller.

I joined in only because someone said that L is better than Kudo. That is SO NOT true.
I've only seen L in the TV series and don't know any more of his "greatness" from the movies and stuff. Sticking only to canon for both series, L might actually be an inferior detective. Hold your flame.

Gonna elaborate later.

CoolKid3 wrote: I dunno why the die-hard DN fans are so hyperactive when DN is compared with other series... I just saw a DN review in another forum wherein the thread became a DN vs Monster thread because the TS claimed that DN is the greatest anime ever... DN is good and my 2nd all-time favorite but after reading so many discussions about DN being a mediocre series, I'm kinda believing on that statement (but it's still my 2nd fav)... It's main theme is "absolute power corrupts" which has been the theme of other series as well... It was clearly shown all throughout the series... But DN's edge over the other series was the effective cliffhangers... However DN's ending was so predictable... But the psychological battle of L and Kira was the best I've ever witnessed...

Death Note vs. Monster: I've said before in another thread that these two can't even be compared but I take it back. ;D Let's take these two for example:

Spoiler:

All I'm saying is L was just as judgmental as Inspector Lunge. I hated Lunge for suspecting Tenma because the poor doctor really is innocent. But did I also hate L for suspecting Light? No, because we know he really is Kira. It actually made L come off as very cool for he was SO right. But, at the end of the day, I say that they're both inferior detectives for having made subjective judgments right off the bat.

Sorry to die-hard DN fans for using the word 'inferior'. I'm just calling it quits since saying L is better than Kudo is just another way of saying Kudo is worse than L. And I'm a die-hard Conan fan. I mean, he is Ãœber-cute. I just wanna hug him and take him home.

As for the justice and law thingie,

GinRei wrote:
bluekaitou1412 wrote: No! L is justice!
L is the law. Kira is justice which becomes corrupted.

Ditto!

kkslider5552000 · Post by **kkslider5552000** » December 8th, 2009, 9:42 am

I love how people talk about how this shouldn't be DN vs. DC...and than they decide to talk about DN vs. DC.

bluekaitou1412 · Post by **bluekaitou1412** » December 8th, 2009, 11:22 pm

nanilola wrote: I joined in only because someone said that L is better than Kudo. That is SO NOT true.
I've only seen L in the TV series and don't know any more of his "greatness" from the movies and stuff. Sticking only to canon for both series, L might actually be an inferior detective. Hold your flame. Gonna elaborate later.

Come on, elaborate already.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » December 9th, 2009, 12:01 am

bluekaitou1412 wrote:
nanilola wrote: I joined in only because someone said that L is better than Kudo. That is SO NOT true.
I've only seen L in the TV series and don't know any more of his "greatness" from the movies and stuff. Sticking only to canon for both series, L might actually be an inferior detective. Hold your flame. Gonna elaborate later.
Come on, elaborate already.

nanilola wrote:
Sorry to die-hard DN fans for using the word 'inferior'. I'm just calling it quits since saying L is better than Kudo is just another way of saying Kudo is worse than L. And I'm a die-hard Conan fan. I mean, he is Ãœber-cute. I just wanna hug him and take him home.

uhh...no response.

I've heard no concrete support when people deny that L is Kudo, and I am willing to hear what you guys have to say, but all I've really heard is "DN and DC can't be compared, so Kudo is better than L".

As for your argument that L is inferior due to his similarness to the inspector in Monster, they weren't subjective judgements. L narrowed down the suspects to Japan with the television trick. Then, he noticed the killing of criminals around 3-10ish, very similar to a student's schedule. Then immediately after that, kira seemingly spat in their faces by killing every hour. This seemed like a childish response, and due to L's attitude of being like a child, he could tell Kira didn't want to lose. Also, that meant the possibility that Kira is in the police force / has connections to the police. After the FBI agents were sent to investigate and Raye Penbar was killed, they noticed that Kira was testing deaths on criminals by their weird messages, and after investigating Raye's death, they noticed that he may have been in contact with Kira. Isolating the suspects Raye was investigating that fit the profile of what they suspect Kira to be, they narrowed down to two families: one being the Yagamis.

That to me seems very logical, and I believe even Conan with this information would suspect Light as well.

Light seemed to be the perfect fit; a brilliant student who seemed a bit too cocky and had a strong sense of justice. With the suspect list so narrow, it was only natural for L to be so rock solid in his deduction.

If you think that is subjective, you are obviously forgetting some of the dark moments in Conan when he is 100% sure a suspect is the culprit, due to his or her's grim look, or a smile they crack.

The main reason why L is the better of these two brilliant detectives is because Shinichi, like I said, has too big of an ego that really bites him in the ass. Sure L has an ego as well, like how he showed himself as L to Light, but that was a cunning strategy. There are numerous examples when Shinichi just goes head in w/o thinking.
Main example, of course, is episode 1...blindly going in to spy on 2 mysterious men in black, which could of have caused his death. Another example is episode 311 (the Dark Footprint). Conan, cocky as usual, thinks his plan will go perfectly and hides in the locker room as Gin and Vodka approach. However, his plan goes awry, and nearly gets himself killed again.

I give Conan props over L when it comes to general knowledge, Conan seems to know almost EVERYTHING, which can seem a bit unrealistic at times, but he's just that damn smart.

Now, on the other topic regarding Kira as justice...here are my two cents.
If Kira did exist and he was killing off criminals left and right, I wouldn't object. Wars would be stopped, even if it was by a fear of Kira, there would still be peace. I personally wouldn't need to worry about being robbed/jumped/etc...corrupt politicians would shape up...
As long as Kira doesn't go to out of balance (Light's ideals, not Teru Mikami's) I would be fine and happy with his world. Why? I'm not a criminal, and as long as you don't get in his way, you'll be safe.

bluekaitou1412 · Post by **bluekaitou1412** » December 9th, 2009, 2:16 am

Here is my opinion (might contain spoilers... or not):

L is facing a far more dangerous opponent: someone who has the brains, and the power to... well, to take over the world and kill millions of innocent people in just a short span of time. I won't say that the BO has no power to control the world, but they're kinda "undercover".

While Shinichi is still young and has plenty of time to improve, L is not too old himself. Bad thing is, he died young too.

Spoiler:

What if Shinichi tried to solve the Kira case? Can he prove that Light is Kira without being killed in the process?
What if L tried to catch the BO members? Can he put them behind bars without being poisoned or shrunk?

nanilola · Post by **nanilola** » December 9th, 2009, 2:17 am

kkslider5552000 wrote: I love how people talk about how this shouldn't be DN vs. DC...and than they decide to talk about DN vs. DC.

Funny, right?

Sorry, can't help myself.

bluekaitou1412 wrote:
nanilola wrote: I joined in only because someone said that L is better than Kudo. That is SO NOT true.
I've only seen L in the TV series and don't know any more of his "greatness" from the movies and stuff. Sticking only to canon for both series, L might actually be an inferior detective. Hold your flame. Gonna elaborate later.
Come on, elaborate already.

I thought I did. Seems like I didn't, huh?

ranger wrote:
nanilola wrote:
Sorry to die-hard DN fans for using the word 'inferior'. I'm just calling it quits since saying L is better than Kudo is just another way of saying Kudo is worse than L. And I'm a die-hard Conan fan. I mean, he is Ãœber-cute. I just wanna hug him and take him home.
uhh...no response.

No need really. I'm just as biased to DC as you are to DN.

ranger wrote: I've heard no concrete support when people deny that L is Kudo, and I am willing to hear what you guys have to say, but all I've really heard is "DN and DC can't be compared, so Kudo is better than L".

Well, it's hard you know. DC has not yet ended. You see? That's the only thing I'm holding onto. I hope Aoyama Gosho would have more tricks up his sleeve. So, I might end up wrong. But, so could you for judging Kudo prematurely.

ranger wrote: As for your argument that L is inferior due to his similarness to the inspector in Monster, they weren't subjective judgements. L narrowed down the suspects to Japan with the television trick. Then, he noticed the killing of criminals around 3-10ish, very similar to a student's schedule. Then immediately after that, kira seemingly spat in their faces by killing every hour. This seemed like a childish response, and due to L's attitude of being like a child, he could tell Kira didn't want to lose. Also, that meant the possibility that Kira is in the police force / has connections to the police. After the FBI agents were sent to investigate and Raye Penbar was killed, they noticed that Kira was testing deaths on criminals by their weird messages, and after investigating Raye's death, they noticed that he may have been in contact with Kira. Isolating the suspects Raye was investigating that fit the profile of what they suspect Kira to be, they narrowed down to two families: one being the Yagamis.

That to me seems very logical, and I believe even Conan with this information would suspect Light as well.

You're right, it is logical. I was referring to the part after Light's voluntary imprisonment. L said so himself that it's true that he won't be happy if Kira isn't Light. It's understandable that he wants Light, whom he recognized to be an intellectual equal, to be his opponent. It's just that it would seem wiser to me if L stepped back at that point instead. He could've made Light believe that he's doubting his deductions a bit and being manipulated into thinking of another suspect. Maybe he would still be alive. He could've let Light slip up a bit more so that he could corner him when he's fully ready with incriminating evidence.

ranger wrote: If you think that is subjective, you are obviously forgetting some of the dark moments in Conan when he is 100% sure a suspect is the culprit, due to his or her's grim look, or a smile they crack.

You've got me there. They're both human, I guess. lol. It's called intuition or gut feel.
But, hey, Conan doesn't go around saying, "Watashi wa Kudo desu".

Not everyone suspicious is guilty. And not everyone guilty can be charged/arrested.
A grim look could suggest holding back of related info or being an accomplice. An evil smile could suggest that someone did it for you or you've succeeded with a murder trick.
Conan keeps those observed smiles to himself and proceeds on investigating. He reveals the root of his suspicion after a flawless deduction with solid evidence.

most of the time, anyways.

ranger wrote: The main reason why L is the better of these two brilliant detectives is because Shinichi, like I said, has too big of an ego that really bites him in the ass. Sure L has an ego as well, like how he showed himself as L to Light, but that was a cunning strategy. There are numerous examples when Shinichi just goes head in w/o thinking.
Main example, of course, is episode 1...blindly going in to spy on 2 mysterious men in black, which could of have caused his death. Another example is episode 311 (the Dark Footprint). Conan, cocky as usual, thinks his plan will go perfectly and hides in the locker room as Gin and Vodka approach. However, his plan goes awry, and nearly gets himself killed again.

Right. And every time Conan almost magically survives as the main character should, his personality matures a bit more. Slowly building up anti-BO knowledge from his stupidities toward a grand finale, I wish.

karisama · Post by **karisama** » December 11th, 2009, 11:30 am

It's moments like these when I find it ironic that Kudo and L have the same seiyuu.

Jing · Post by **Jing** » December 11th, 2009, 2:19 pm

nanilola wrote:
ranger wrote: The main reason why L is the better of these two brilliant detectives is because Shinichi, like I said, has too big of an ego that really bites him in the ass. Sure L has an ego as well, like how he showed himself as L to Light, but that was a cunning strategy. There are numerous examples when Shinichi just goes head in w/o thinking.
Main example, of course, is episode 1...blindly going in to spy on 2 mysterious men in black, which could of have caused his death. Another example is episode 311 (the Dark Footprint). Conan, cocky as usual, thinks his plan will go perfectly and hides in the locker room as Gin and Vodka approach. However, his plan goes awry, and nearly gets himself killed again.
Right. And every time Conan almost magically survives as the main character should, his personality matures a bit more. Slowly building up anti-BO knowledge from his stupidities toward a grand finale, I wish. ;)

Normally I wouldn't involve myself in this sort of thing, but these two statements made me think of something interesting. The problem with your argument, Guy-Who-Likes-Kudo-Better, is that Kudo is forced to follow the pattern that you'd expect from a character-driven anime because of his rash decisions. Don't get me wrong, I do love the show, and I loved The Dark Footprint, but the writing/character development in Conan isn't nearly as original as Death Note's. To me, L comes out on top because he's more of an anomaly.

Mikan · Post by **Mikan** » December 11th, 2009, 7:42 pm

Utau(Shugo Chara)
Ami(Toradora)
Yuko(XXXHolic)
Mikan(Gakuen Alice)
[Ayu(Ultra Maniac)/b]
Taiga(Toradora)
Rima(Shugo Chara)
Tsuna(Katekyo Hitman Reborn)
Natsume(Gakuen Alice)
Ai(Detectice Conan)

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