Naruto Anyone? (Manga Spoilers)

[Conan-chandesune]

I respect your opinion as long as you dont go out of your way to express it. Peace.

...Then you don't respect his opinion at all.  Respect only if you keep quiet?  That's ignorance, not respect.

In reply to your comment,1)Kishi hadnt created danzou back in the chunnin exam/tsunade search arc. Its actually impressive how much he integrated the characters introduced later into the story.

No it's not, because it creates a plot hole.  Just because he hadn't been created yet doesn't mean he gets a free pass to shoehorn him into continuity however he pleases.

2)Lets wait for the explanation about obito bfore wimping out. Its improbable, i agree. It may be a trick to confuse us.

I'm still hoping it's Izuna and not Obito (would solve pretty much every Tobi plot hole except how the eye wasn't crushed), but I doubt Kishi will be that creative.

3)Elemental training was referred to as "complex" even for chuunins. Plus Kishi hadnt thought of it bfore. You cant expect him to change history when he gets a good idea later. He simply has to integrate it best as he can.

Again, just because he hadn't thought of it yet doesn't mean he can shoehorn it in later without explaining why it wasn't done before.  And yes, he shouldn't change history (though he does it often), but he should explain plot holes.  The training itself might be complex for chuunin, but the paper to determine affinity?  That's so simple that anyone with chakra should be able to do it.  And apparently elemental training wasn't too bad, since Sasuke managed to learn both the Chidori and Lightning element in less than a month.

4)Sage Mode: same argument as above, Kishi thought of it later...

Can't shoehorn argument, as above.

5)Are you a retard?? He trained in the island for some time. that is why he could use it.They werent exactly same. and he still had problems. Go read it properly!

So much for being calm.  And no, he didn't train on the island for that long.  It was basically 1) show he can't use rasengan because it turns into demon ball (which he couldn't properly control anyway), 2) realize the war is happening, 3) run into battle.  All within a chapter or two.  As soon as he shows up on the battlefield he starts spamming Rasengans all over the place.

6)No he became a chuunin at 6 only. Then Years later, Obito became a chuunin when kakashi became a jounin. 599 is not linear. first we see the start of the academy, then the chuunin exams, then 5 years later when he becomes a jounin.

Looks like you need to read better.  Kakashi is taking part in the Chuunin exam at the same time as Obito and Rin, and it's only about a year before he becomes a Jounin.  The chapter actually is linear.  It shows Kakashi becoming a chuunin and holding up his jacket, one year before he becomes a jounin.  Next year, Obito fights Gai and gets clobbered in the exams.  Still recovering from those injuries, Rin confronts him about Kakashi's jounin present.

7)Tobi is a liar, dude. Dontcha get it yet??
I may give you the statue.... It most probably is an art error. One art error in 600 chaps? Unacceptable!

You can't decide what are lies and what aren't.  And the art error is still a plot hole in a long list of plot holes.

Each and every person i know reads the manga online. It isnt published here. Most of the people outside Japan do too. They just wont admit it. I am a honest person. I respect your opinion, even f its incorrect. Just dont go out of yor way to blast the series. Some people who like it are talking about it and as you dont like it, you shouldnt even have commented on the first place!

You clearly don't respect anyone's opinion.  I didn't go out of my way to blast the series either, I merely said it'd be better if it didn't have so many plot holes.  You're delusional if you give plot holes a free pass just because you like the series.

And there wasn't really much discussion at all.  It was like 10 posts talking about the chapter (which wasn't praising it, by the way), one trolled flamebait that you bit on, another trolled flamebait that you bit on, a few people chiming in as to why they don't like it (hint: if one reads the series, they can comment, they don't have to like it to comment), and you went on a tear as if someone had just kicked your puppy.  That's basically what's happened for the last three pages now.  Before that?  No posts in 6 months.

Got me. Still the chaps not linear as obito doent have his eye injury in the next page. Kishi isnt such a fool. And if he gets a good idea, he should shoehorn into the continuity. I never said respect it only if you keep quiet. He went out of his way to comment thrice?? Posted flamebait? As soon as i backed off, i'm the bad guy? Nice going there.

[Loudlol]

*is still amused people are getting so passionate about plot holes and series quality on the forums of a series equally if not worse in that aspect*

Seriously though, people are entitled to their own opinions.  Naruto fans should admit it's a sub-par series even though they like it.  And the people who are bashing it should really take a look at some of the other things they like, since they might fall in the same category.

[Toast]

Well Bleach isn't consistent that's for sure, but the recent chapters have been pretty good despite having bad pacing. The latest chapter has the best artwork I've ever seen in Bleach, even though it doesn't get good rankings its still better than the current Naruto.

I still don't understand how someone can hate Naruto with every fiber in their body, yet respect Bleach.

[leokiko]

He said the "recent chapters" have been pretty good, that's all.

[Memesu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UDtr-HoqQvI

[kkslider5552000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UDtr-HoqQvI

I know because of your name you're required to post this but this was never funny.

[Conan-chandesune]

He said the "recent chapters" have been pretty good, that's all.

I never said the others were bad. And i do not want to argue with you again. You and i both know who won the last argument. Yelling out "I won" to everyone, hoping you'll be able to believe yourself.

Well Bleach isn't consistent that's for sure, but the recent chapters have been pretty good despite having bad pacing. The latest chapter has the best artwork I've ever seen in Bleach, even though it doesn't get good rankings its still better than the current Naruto.

I still don't understand how someone can hate Naruto with every fiber in their body, yet respect Bleach.

Yep, i agree. Must be a...

*is still amused people are getting so passionate about plot holes and series quality on the forums of a series equally if not worse in that aspect*

Seriously though, people are entitled to their own opinions.  Naruto fans should admit it's a sub-par series even though they like it.  And the people who are bashing it should really take a look at some of the other things they like, since they might fall in the same category.

Wisely said.

[Memesu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UDtr-HoqQvI

I know because of your name you're required to post this but this was never funny.

Sorry.

[leokiko]

@Conan-chandesune: You certainly think highly of yourself. My comment was about what Trishula wrote.

And I don't give a damn who "won" the argument. Seriously, grow up.

[kkslider5552000]

I just realized his name has "desu ne" following "chan".

That's so evil, I'm surprised James Bond hasn't shown up to try to assassinate you. Jesus Christ.

[Toast]

He said the "recent chapters" have been pretty good, that's all.

That changes nothing.

[Conan-chandesune]

@Conan-chandesune: You certainly think highly of yourself. My comment was about what Trishula wrote.

And I don't give a damn who "won" the argument. Seriously, grow up.

Sure ya dont~~

[Kor]

Wow, what a petty argument.

If it's so important to you to continue, you can take this to PMs instead of turning this thread into your personal battlefield.

[Partsu]

damn...I so want to read about how people flame each other for no good reasons...hehehehehe...

[Trishula]

Damn, looks like Kishi finally lost his mind.

First he decides to go with a stupid fan theory with many plot holes in it for Tobi's identity, then he reveals that the reason that Obito went all batshit crazy was because some stupid girl that was his bitch died?

hype I've lost all hope in this stupid manga.