And why did I take Shinichi out of the mix? Because It'd be unfair if we were to take L out and not Shinichi (Besides, it would make the Org much stronger too ;)). But honestly, I wouldn't even have a problem with Shinichi being involved. I mean, It's taking him forever to finish this BO mess. The closest lead he's got is an email address for Pete's sake :D. And it's been what, 740+ chapters? By the time Conan will be to take the Org out. Kira would've been killed by the Org long before that time ever comes (Thanks to L and the BO's informats). So basically, we decided to take L out because if we were to include him in this mess. Kira would have absolutely no chance against the Organization. So I say...Hey, let's give Kira a chance and settle this debate without any opposing threats.
Uhmmm, Shinichi is better than L and the closest thing he's got to the Org is a freaking email address, after 740 chapters too! And without Shinichi, the FBI would have nothing! Nothing about the Organization. Vermouth wouldn't be switching sides, all the major events such as episode 345 and the Clash wouldn't have happened.Without Conan, the only lead the FBI would have on the Org is Chris Vinyard. And guess what, Vermouth wouldn't have put on that Araide disguise because Haibara would've died by then (Without Conan, Haibara would've died). And with Haibara's dead, Vermouth's mission which involved eliminating Haibara wouldn't have happened. Therefore, she wouldn't have taken Araide as her mask or identity. Without Conan, Vermouth would be in America as Miss Vinyard. Making her an untouchable icon. Due to her immense popularity, wealth, fame and of course, the fact that the FBI is investigating the BO in secret. For some unknown reason, The FBI are trying to keep the Org's existence a secret as well, which is weird. What makes you think someone like L or Near could even catch the Org? Remember, the only reason Shinichi was able to get this close was because he actually had a first person encounter with their members in episode one and had Haibara who made all of these encounters (176-178, 345, 425 and 491-504) possible while giving Shinichi loads of information. So how? How on earth can you actually believe that someone like L and Near could actually catch the BO? Without Conan, there won't be a Haibara and without Haibara, Shinichi would never ever in his life, be able to catch the Organzation. Oh wait, taking out everyone in DC who pose a threat to the Org such as Shinichi, Jodie and Akai and leaving this entire mess to the Death Note world would be even worse (for you). Now you have nothing! In fact, without Jodie as a witness, the FBI would have nothing! Absolutely Zero! They wouldn't even be aware of the Organization's existence. So okay, if that's how you want it. I'm leaving this entire speculation up to you. Okay then, replacing everyone in Detective Conan with a person like L or Near and the entire cast of Death Note. How? How is it even possible, to catch a ghost like Organization when you aren't even aware of it's existence?And I doubt he faced anyone good as L or Near otherwise he would have been caught
Sorry, no matter how good of a person you are. I still wont believe you. Honestly, this is almost common sense. No one, in the world, would write and fight so much against something he/she likes. Look, I know that Kobe is nowhere near Jordan's level but I wont go as far as writing several details posts to prove my comrades wrong. And Ranger, I've seen that Kira red-eyed avatar two to four times in my time here. And one of them lasted for a really long time. Also, Not only can I see that you're a huge death note fan but I can see that you're a HUGE Kira fan. Honestly, I respect you a lot for keeping this debate composed and well manered. You are honestly the best person I've ever held a debate with. But I am never ever going to believe that statement because it goes against common sense.My avatar has been Kira, like, once, lol! I have had numerous Conan avatars when I first joined here, I even had Koi Wa Thrill Shock dance as my signature (you can ask Akonyl about this) damnit!! lol I enjoy Death Note's soundtrack, what can I say...there's nothing wrong with me making a thread regarding the soundtrack :/ I love the DC soundtrack as well (even though lately it's gone to hell). The reason why I'm arguing against you is because I disagree with you and I have extensive knowledge in both fields enough for me to actually argue against you. I don't know what to say if you don't believe me, but DC was relatively my first anime I watched when I was older (disregarding crap like DBZ/yugioh/pokemon that everyone watched in their childhood). Before that, I would admit that I disliked and even hated on animes/mangas. But afterwards, because I loved it so much, watching 500+ episodes, my mindset has changed - DC opened doors for me, so it's always number 1 in my heart.
The post I plan to make on Friday/Saturday/Sunday (one of these days), will hopefully prove my point and sum up why I believe the Org > Kira. I plan to make it long and detailed in order to solve this debate once and for all (since my schedule isn't as friendly as it was in the past - Summer Vacation + With school and all that, replying to a debate every weekend which is your only source of free time, isn't a nice thing to think off). And don't think I forgot about your previous posts Ranger, I'll also include my responses to them in my full reply. Hopefully my next post in this topic will be my last one ;D. But anyways, if ever this debate does end after that. Ranger, thanks for the non-arseholish debate. :D (Idk about the time anymore. Got plans again for the weekend and I'll be back at home on Sunday. I'd want to keep that day to myself so I'll postpone my plans on making my post some other time)
Well, that's it for today. Back to studying. :'(
