Doctor Who?

[doublemoonlight]

Is it me or dose anyone think this is worst DW series opener ever? I mean Daleks did nothing to very little in terms of plots. I could not see classic Daleks ( BIG DISSAPOINTMENT for me since I am a Dalek fan.) WTF was at the end ( having memory of Doctor erased from EVERY SINGLE DALEKS.) I actually facepalmed at the end. I do like that Dalek twist and I felt said about it but... just the fact that I could not see Dalek in action makes me feel mad and depressed as an Dalek fan... 

[Magical Mystery]

Is it me or dose anyone think this is worst DW series opener ever?

Is it the worst - No!
For me the Worst season opener still remains "Time and the Rani" - I'm still gagging over that one.

It's not even the worst Dalek story, to me that's "Planet of the Daleks" (ice-canoes - get real, toy daleks consumed by ice, etc...), with "Daleks in Manhattan" / "Evolution of the Daleks" a close second.

[doublemoonlight]

^ you have to admit it is way worse than Daleks in Manhattan" / "Evolution of the Daleks" due to its many plot holes and buching of Amy and Rory. I mean it is probably most DW episode to be filled with plot holes within episode itself.

[kyuuketsuki]

^ you have to admit it is way worse than Daleks in Manhattan" / "Evolution of the Daleks" due to its many plot holes and buching of Amy and Rory. I mean it is probably most DW episode to be filled with plot holes within episode itself.

No not at all. Yes there were plot holes, but it at least didn't destroy the daleks completely like daleks in Manhattan did.

[doublemoonlight]

^ err hello Last scene Daleks saying " Doctor who?" Meaning EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN DALEKS have forgotten Doctor! Steven Moffet Destoryed Doctor-Dalek relationship since he made Daleks forget about their greatest enemy-The Doctor! And what did Daleks in Manhattan did destory? Human-dalek hybord?

[Stopwatch]

It's just a plot set-up y'know, they'll soon probably learn all about him again soon . Plus, it'll be interesting to see how this changes things...

[Akonyl]

^ err hello Last scene Daleks saying " Doctor who?" Meaning EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN DALEKS have forgotten Doctor! Steven Moffet Destoryed Doctor-Dalek relationship since he made Daleks forget about their greatest enemy-The Doctor! And what did Daleks in Manhattan did destory? Human-dalek hybord?

the daleks have been "completely destroyed" before, if a writer comes along that wants the daleks to remember the Doctor, you can be certain that they'll find a way to make them remember.

[doublemoonlight]

@ stop watch but if Daleks are going to remember doctor on the next Dalek Episode WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THEM FORGETTING DOCTOR IN THE FIRST PLACE! This " reboot" did not change anything at all since if you go back to that scene you can clearly hear a Dalek saying EXTERMINATE meaning they are going to destory Doctor- whom they have forgotten about. so what this rebot acompolished: Nothing. Except having Daleks forget about Doctor. I just think that was incredably stupid move on behalf of steven moffet.

On another point: Dalek prime minster saying " it would be offensive to destory such divine beauty.."
and what happens at the end Daleks blow up the Assylum. LOL what?
Also Dalkes having concept of beauty... yeah right! I think this is an asspull

[Stopwatch]

You missed my point entirely and I don't think there'd be that much use in trying to clarify things to you considering how you seem to react to those who disagree with your opinion.
Still, you should at least learn to spell 'Steven Moffat' correctly, given that he's the head writer and all .

[mangaluva]

@doublemoonlight: The Daleks forgetting the Doctor only to remember him later serves exactly the same purpose as the Daleks/Cybermen/Master being utterly obliterated only to return later through contrived means. It gives us some drama and a win but also allows us to return to beloved villains time and again. C'mon, if he'd obliterated all those Daleks, would anybody anywhere have believed that they were done forever? >_>

Chill out. It wasn't that bad of an episode. It was a bit of fun with a slightly predictable but nevertheless tragic climax and an ending that was so thick with foreshadowing that you could barely hear the credits. I mean, foreshadowing doesn't really get any less subtle than ten thousand Daleks blaring "DOCTOR WHO?!"

I have to say, the only thing that would seriously, deeply disappoint me would be if they actually gave the Doctor a name. It's been set up as such a huge, deep secret for about fifty years that honestly, I don't think anything could match up to the hype. Unless, y'know, somebody says something but you can't hear what they say because the entire universe unravels or something. Again.

[kyuuketsuki]

I see it the opposite way. Then forgetting him makes them more dangerous to him. He survived most of the time because they were hesitant because they felt some fear of him. Now that fear is gone. They still want to extinguish all life including his regardless of knowing who he is or not.

I don't recall much of daleks in Manhattan, but I remember being pissed off at the characterization. The daleks here are still daleks, they'll still try and kill him. The daleks in Manhattan weren't. It's as simple as that.

[mangaluva]

I see it the opposite way. Then forgetting him makes them more dangerous to him. He survived most of the time because they were hesitant because they felt some fear of him. Now that fear is gone. They still want to extinguish all life including his regardless of knowing who he is or not.

I don't recall much of daleks in Manhattan, but I remember being pissed off at the characterization. The daleks here are still daleks, they'll still try and kill him. The daleks in Manhattan weren't. It's as simple as that.

That's true. I mean, even if he's not their sworn enemy, he's still life that is not a Dale, and therefore subject to the intense murderhate they have for all such life in the Universe. None of his "I'm the Doctor, look me up" speeches will do a damn thing to them now : x

[Akonyl]

so what this rebot acompolished: Nothing.

you seem to be under the impression that this is something new to Doctor Who.

[doublemoonlight]

@ kyuuketsuki them forgetting dose not make them dangerous as they are just chasing Doctor who they don't know.  Also you need to remember that their fear of the Doctor post Time-War is what made Daleks in this new series of Doctor who. E Even Asylum of the Daleks admits it as Oswin Dalek says " We grew stronger in fear of you ( Doctor)" You need to admit that this Episode buchered Doctor-Dalek realtionship of being alone with each other. But now that is gone.

Reviewer called MR Tardis showed why this episode is worst new-who season opener and this reviewer( http://www.androzani.com/asylum.shtml  )also shows why this episode is one of if not the worst writing of Steven Moffet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0al-NSWkXc

[pofa]

I didn't think the story lived up to its potential and I'm excruciatingly bored with Amy and Rory by now (which is a shame, because I used to like them), so I didn't really like the episode either, but in all fairness this:

so what this rebot acompolished: Nothing.

you seem to be under the impression that this is something new to Doctor Who.

I'm not going to automatically write off the rest of the season because of it. And there were definitely episodes last season I liked less than this.