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I hated the fact that there were too many focuse on Harry and not enough on other people... They did not even show what happened to minster of magic and other major charecters apart from Hermony and Ron...  oh and I did find Voldemort's laugh really funny as well as Drado/voldemont moment  ;D
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doublemoonlight wrote:
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I hated the fact that there were too many focuse on Harry and not enough on other people... They did not even show what happened to minster of magic and other major charecters apart from Hermony and Ron...  oh and I did find Voldemort's laugh really funny as well as Drado/voldemont moment  ;D
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Agreed. You didn't really see the development of any other characters. I know at the end of the day it is Harry Potter and he is supposed to be the main character, but some other characters should have a chance too. For example they didn't show Fred's death.
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Can't sleep so I'll share my thoughts about the movie, the things that I didn't like at least.
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Something good first though, the pacing is much better than the last film. The first part of this film was pretty much like the former one, but it was paced better. And when they go back to the school, everything flows great. However because of the slow pace of the last film, it feels like some stuff in this film are going on way too quickly. I guess it's because in the last film, they've spent most of it on trying to destroy one item, but then in this film, they manage to destroy two of them in like 20 minutes (perhaps even less)
My biggest problem with the film was probably the final battle and especially the showdown between Harry and Voldemort - I expected a big fight between the two with a variety of different spells, but most of what I can remember from it is that the fight was really short and most of it was basically "energy blasts" and at the end they both shoot a "kamehameha" at each other. It's just that this sort of thing is so familiar and overused (was kinda used before in the movies as well) that it didn't feel so special. My other complaint about the final battle is that we didn't get to see more about the other characters (who are much more interesting than Potter) fighting.
Which leads me to the second thing, the minor characters. There were so many characters who had some roles in the last films, and they were very missed at the last film, but in this film, they barely make an appearance as well. Only a few of them got an important role, but most of them were diminished to just several lines, or worse - just one line, or worse - just appearing once, or at worst - dying off screen. So many characters die off screen, but why? Wouldn't it be interesting to see how they died? I don't have a problem with people dying, but there's nothing interesting about a character dying off screen. Even Fred's death - you'd think it would be a little more dramatic than that.
I understand that there are really a LOT of characters, but we could have had a little more focus on them. I think that what should have been done was making the seventh film's plot to reach to the point before they decided to go back to the school (so less walking or dancing in the seventh film and making the pacing better), and the last film would be only on the final battle which would give more time for the final battle and might as well have some more focus on the minor characters. Of course, this would take away most of the drama of Dobby's death, but then it could give a bit more drama for other characters' deaths in the final film (whether they are on or off screen). Perhaps this lack of focus on the minor characters is also from the book, but I'm saying what I think would have been better.

So my three major complaints are:
The climax was a bit meh
Way too much deaths off screen
Diminishing most of the minor characters' roles into almost nothing
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That movie was incredible. I've seen it in 2D in English and in 3D in Italian (BECAUSE WE COULD) and it was just incredible.
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I loved how much they upped Neville and Mcgonnagall's awesomeness quotients. Among my favourites are this exchange:

"Can we do it, Professor? Do we have your permission?"
"Yes, of course, go ahead!"
"Like, blow it up? Boom?"
"BOOM!"
"Awesome! Uh... how do we do it?"
"Ask Mister Finnegan, as I recall he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics..."

The resultant BOOM was badass as well. And Neville doing anything.

Also, I loved: "I've always wanted to use that spell!"

I feel like they must have staffed that scene where a bajillion Death Eaters turn up behind Voldemort by calling up every single actor in the UK who hasn't been in the series so far and asked if they want a bit part. There's hardly anyone in the country who HASN'T been in these movies.

In short, the effects were great, the characters were brilliant, the movie was a joy to behold and a fitting end to the series. Bravo!
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mangaluva wrote: That movie was incredible. I've seen it in 2D in English and in 3D in Italian (BECAUSE WE COULD) and it was just incredible.
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I loved how much they upped Neville and Mcgonnagall's awesomeness quotients. Among my favourites are this exchange:

"Can we do it, Professor? Do we have your permission?"
"Yes, of course, go ahead!"
"Like, blow it up? Boom?"
"BOOM!"
"Awesome! Uh... how do we do it?"
"Ask Mister Finnegan, as I recall he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics..."

The resultant BOOM was badass as well. And Neville doing anything.

Also, I loved: "I've always wanted to use that spell!"

I feel like they must have staffed that scene where a bajillion Death Eaters turn up behind Voldemort by calling up every single actor in the UK who hasn't been in the series so far and asked if they want a bit part. There's hardly anyone in the country who HASN'T been in these movies.

In short, the effects were great, the characters were brilliant, the movie was a joy to behold and a fitting end to the series. Bravo!
Agreed on all counts.  Especially where McGonagall and Neville are involved.
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The movie was mediocre. I know I know... people are thinking "WAIT WHAT?! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" Bear with me on this...

First off the movie didn't feel like Harry Potter, it felt like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King. That didn't make it bad, but really annoying.
Then we have the issue with character deaths, or namely how downplayed they were. Major characters of the series were killed and there was barely any reaction from anyone. Hell we didn't even get to SEE their deaths. They just appeared dead.
There were some good lines and the action was good (Again the action was very RotK like).
Also, I felt as if they padded out the first movie to make it into two shorter movies instead of one long movie. There was so much padding it was insane. There was little to no development in this movie. I suppose they put all of that in Part 1. For a 2 part movie they cut a lot out and padded way way too much. This could have been one 3 hour movie instead of two 2 hour movies.
Not to mention that the book focused on several people, and the movie basically concentrated only on Harry.
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Lastly... WHAT THE HELL WAS WITH THE ANTICLIMATIC FINAL BATTLE TO DECIDE GOOD AND EVIL?! Hell, Avatar: The Last Airbender did the final battle between Azula/Zuko&Katara and Ozai/Aang better than Voldemort/Harry. It actually felt as if something was on the line, and the conclusion was better explained in Avatar than in HP (movie at least, if I didn't read the books it would have been more vague) Good and evil decided in less than 5 minutes...
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I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned before, but I found, "This kind of magic doesn't work here!", is a great way to advance the plot.
kyuuketsuki wrote:This could have been one 3 hour movie instead of two 2 hour movies.
As Hitchcock once said, "The length of a film should be directly related to the endurance of the human bladder."

Plus, I think it's obvious that the only reason they made it into two parts is that they wanted to make double as much money. If they truly wanted to be as loyal to the book as possible, they would've made it into an HBO; but then again, many wouldn't be pleased with that.
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The only book I wish they made into an HBO is Bringing Down the House; 21 was HORRIBLE!!!
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A.E. wrote: I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned before, but I found, "This kind of magic doesn't work here!", is a great way to advance the plot.
kyuuketsuki wrote:This could have been one 3 hour movie instead of two 2 hour movies.
As Hitchcock once said, "The length of a film should be directly related to the endurance of the human bladder."

Plus, I think it's obvious that the only reason they made it into two parts is that they wanted to make double as much money. If they truly wanted to be as loyal to the book as possible, they would've made it into an HBO; but then again, many wouldn't be pleased with that.
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The only book I wish they made into an HBO is Bringing Down the House
My point was that they put padding instead of story to make it two 2 hour long parts. They could have used that time to focus on other characters, flesh out what the book had more, but they didn't.  So either they should have made it truer to the book or shorten it to one movie. The amount of content they had was basically a really long 2.5-3 hour long movie, not necessary for a two parter. I'm aware it was probably for money, but it could have been done better if that was the case.
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kyuuketsuki wrote: The movie was mediocre. I know I know... people are thinking "WAIT WHAT?! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" Bear with me on this...

First off the movie didn't feel like Harry Potter, it felt like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King. That didn't make it bad, but really annoying.
Then we have the issue with character deaths, or namely how downplayed they were. Major characters of the series were killed and there was barely any reaction from anyone. Hell we didn't even get to SEE their deaths. They just appeared dead.
There were some good lines and the action was good (Again the action was very RotK like).
Also, I felt as if they padded out the first movie to make it into two shorter movies instead of one long movie. There was so much padding it was insane. There was little to no development in this movie. I suppose they put all of that in Part 1. For a 2 part movie they cut a lot out and padded way way too much. This could have been one 3 hour movie instead of two 2 hour movies.
Not to mention that the book focused on several people, and the movie basically concentrated only on Harry.
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Lastly... WHAT THE HELL WAS WITH THE ANTICLIMATIC FINAL BATTLE TO DECIDE GOOD AND EVIL?! Hell, Avatar: The Last Airbender did the final battle between Azula/Zuko&Katara and Ozai/Aang better than Voldemort/Harry. It actually felt as if something was on the line, and the conclusion was better explained in Avatar than in HP (movie at least, if I didn't read the books it would have been more vague) Good and evil decided in less than 5 minutes...
i was very much reminded of rotk as the death eaters are approaching hogwarts and voldemort is trying to break down its defenses.

still, the character deaths being downplayed is pretty faithful to the book- one of the main complaints people had about the book was that character after character died and that the deaths just sort of happened. still, i agree on the padding part- lots of dialogue was taken out... and in its place we got characters staring into space and shot after shot of broken pillars and empty corridors.

as for the focus on harry part, i can't complain too much about it. harry is the main dude and while it was disappointing to see the other characters not get their place in the sun, i can't say i cared that much about the characters who died (the only characters i really cared about throughout the series were the main five good ones)

and the final battle- the whole point of it in the books is that it is something of an anti-climax. harry and voldemort chat for maybe a page or two, the spells get cast and that's it. the movie tried to make it longer and more epic, which was unnecessary (it also made it so that no one was watching, a bizarre and awful decision). 

that being said, i am pretty much obligated to like the movie because of the malfoy scene. them running away with lucius nervously looking back was just perfect.

though they did ruin snape's character with him saying the mother's eyes bit to harry.
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Apparently the Warner Bros film company are hassling JK Rowling for another book so they can make more money. I have to agree that the film had some Lord of the Rings aspects especially with all the people turning up to fight behind Voldemort.

Also some of the lines that were supposed to be humorous felt a little flat and forced; it felt like they were trying to turn it into a comedy.
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I wouldn't mind another book/movie if it went back to the roots in 1-3 and focused more on the House stuff.  I felt that was a fun aspect that was severely overlooked in 4+.
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I agree with GinRei.  Also:  needs more Quidditch.
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GinRei wrote: I wouldn't mind another book/movie if it went back to the roots in 1-3 and focused more on the House stuff.  I felt that was a fun aspect that was severely overlooked in 4+.
If Rowling does another book so Warner Bros can get more money or for reminding a younger generation that she existed, well...................have you ever heard about this man called George Lucas?
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Kor wrote:
GinRei wrote: I wouldn't mind another book/movie if it went back to the roots in 1-3 and focused more on the House stuff.  I felt that was a fun aspect that was severely overlooked in 4+.
If Rowling does another book so Warner Bros can get more money or for reminding a younger generation that she existed, well...................have you ever heard about this man called George Lucas?
he is a lot richer than he was before the new trilogy, that is one thing i know, even if his reputation was left in tatters by it.

and yes, i agree with ginrei, that stuff was great and it got cast aside to a large extent, though five did see it come back a bit.

if there were new books written, i would prefer a prequel (shades of lucas!) focusing either on voldemort's time at school or on harry's parents and their development and relationship. anything involving the main heroes, whether as parents, protagonists or something else just wouldn't feel right.
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